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Re:A Human Right to Internet Access
« Reply #1 on: 2010-07-21 10:18:49 » |
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I think that this is just getting ridiculous. Internet access is a right? This would be similar to saying that you had a 'right' to go into any and every library. Some libraries are private. Some access lines are private. No one is going to give away bandwidth. I don't know.
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Re:A Human Right to Internet Access
« Reply #2 on: 2010-07-21 12:34:08 » |
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Quote from: Ford on 2010-07-21 10:18:49
I think that this is just getting ridiculous. Internet access is a right? This would be similar to saying that you had a 'right' to go into any and every library. Some libraries are private. Some access lines are private. No one is going to give away bandwidth. I don't know.
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To call it a "right" does seem a bit extreme, however the cost of insuring universal internet access is probably considerably less expensive than universal health care. It seems more reasonable to think of it as part of the infrastructure of a nation which wishes to remain globally competitive.
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Re:A Human Right to Internet Access
« Reply #3 on: 2010-07-21 17:51:14 » |
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[Blunderov] I think it may have been Jeremy Bentham who remarked that "rights are nonsense on stilts" and he has a point. That said, I think the idea that the internet is something to which one has a right is founded in the same ground as the Right to Education. Anyone who does not have access to either one is unfairly at a disadvantage, and this is, furthermore, to the detriment of the common good. No more priesthoods for me, thank you!
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Re:A Human Right to Internet Access
« Reply #4 on: 2010-07-21 22:03:41 » |
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Blunderov,
It seems to me that technology has outstripped our political concepts of rights. Yes it would over time start to seem ridiculous that much of the population remains unplugged. Its almost like a basic literacy issue anymore.
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Re:A Human Right to Internet Access
« Reply #5 on: 2010-07-22 14:40:53 » |
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I disagree with both the thought that education is a right and that internet access is a right. People can easily gain an education without the institution of government run schools. Government run internet access too easily runs toward censorship, and government run schooling too easily runs toward political indoctrination. Basic human freedoms are put in jeopardy the moment that you establish these "rights".
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Re:A Human Right to Internet Access
« Reply #6 on: 2010-07-23 06:33:50 » |
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Quote from: Ford on 2010-07-22 14:40:53
I disagree with both the thought that education is a right and that internet access is a right. People can easily gain an education without the institution of government run schools. Government run internet access too easily runs toward censorship, and government run schooling too easily runs toward political indoctrination. Basic human freedoms are put in jeopardy the moment that you establish these "rights".
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[Blunderov] Hello Ford. It seems to me that it would not be at all easy for the economic underclass to get an education without state run schooling which is the reason why virtually all countries do it..
You seem to have in mind that "Basic human freedoms" trump education and internet access as rights. Could you tell us what you consider these basic human freedoms to be, how these 'freedoms' are different from 'rights' (if they are) and why you consider these freedoms to more fundamental than, for instance, the right to education. I have horrible feeling you may be alluding to the so called 'free' market. Tell me it isn't so! Or look to you defenses.
PS. I, for one, would be very interested to hear just what it is about Obama that you consider to be 'socialist'. I imagine that your definition of this term must be one of the lesser known variations.
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Re:A Human Right to Internet Access
« Reply #7 on: 2010-07-23 10:11:37 » |
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I think Finland is just euphemistically declaring a right to free p0rn 
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