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Level 3 Consciousness, Eugenics, et Al.
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« Reply #1 on: 2003-10-30 11:35:38 »
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Brodie was a regular on the Virus mailing list and contributed a lot to the early development of the CoV. One of our tenets of course is that you can and should take control of your memes. Please tell us your theories.
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« Reply #4 on: 2003-11-12 21:00:03 »
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The key disagreement I had with Brodie about Level 3 was that it was his contention that happiness was more important than truth. People that attain Level 3 come to see that they can adopt whatever memes they need for the situation in order to maximize their own happiness.  I don't doubt that it is possible to pretend to believe something that you usually don't in order to fit in to a social situation (i.e. appear to be Christian among Christians, or talk astrology among people that believe in that kind of thing) and I agree you can probably get away with it for awhile. I don't think that is very honest, and if you are found out it will probably cause a great deal of conflict with the people that were fooled. I would suggest that self-delusion is not the way to happiness and that truth, painful as it may be at first, will prove to be a much better guide in the long run.

Does that fit in with your view of Level 3?
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« Reply #6 on: 2003-11-14 11:03:54 »
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[Epidemic] So, for me, "Level 3" should be to eliminate these influences that I don't want and replace them with something more desireable, and something that hopefully has good chance of replicating in others.

[Lucifer] Is it not problematic that the very memes you want to replace with something more desirable are precisely the same memes that influence, or some cases determine what is desirable?
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It both is and isn't. It is problematic if you take firm grasp of the philosophy that one should be free of mind viruses (as Brodie would put it), it isn't if one sees truth as subjective (which I would do).

What do you mean truth is subjective? Are all beliefs equally true?


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Also, there are memes like you point out that set parameters for what other memes become desireable. Such as the capitalism meme making price fixing seem okay, but the socialist/economic equality memes would not.

Where did you get the idea that price fixing is OK under capitalism?


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And that leads to my point, in individuals, there is no defining line of what parametric memeplexes are superior to others in terms of individual benefit. Empiricism as a means for finding the truth, in an individual, is no more or less effective than staunch spiritualism. It's only in groups that these difference crop up. So, for any one person to decide, "I want to re-engineer my life," whatever goal they select is fine. Whatever parameters they select are fine. It's all a matter of choice

I find it hard to believe you think all goals are equally good. Surely that would lead to huge inconsistencies.


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If you were to decide that truth is the most important aspect, you would select different parameters for what memes are desireable than a person who chooses happiness. But in the end, either choice is just as good for the individual.

What if almost all premature deaths are avoidable meaning that they are the result of ignorance of the truth. In other words, if the person knew that their actions (or lack of actions) would lead to their imminent death, they could do something to avoid dying. How is that good for the individual?
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