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Re: virus: example (resend-clock off)
« on: 2005-04-05 09:50:50 » |
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Sorry about the one month clock slip.
At 06:42 PM 04/04/05 -0700, you wrote:
>I'm not certain I completely understood you, Keith - it was a little
>incomprehensible. The picture I paint in my head is that I fear that maybe
>that's how I come across!
You are getting the picture.
>Oh, I hope not. Do you feel that I am really not conveying any
>information? Or how about 'no content' - it's hard sometimes to find
>metaphor for discussing information _about_ information.
You don't really need metaphor. There is a *deep* understanding of the
relation of information to entropy among many of the people on this
list. You can start here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_E._Shannon
Or try Google
Results 1 - 10 of about 70,100 for "Claude Shannon".
CLAUDE SHANNON
Claude Shannon. Introduction. Claude Elwood Shannon is considered as the
founding father of electronic communications age. He is an ...
www.nyu.edu/pages/linguistics/courses/v610003/shan.html - 14k - Cached -
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Bell Labs: Claude Shannon, Father of Information Theory, Dies at ...
... 26, 2001) -- Claude Elwood Shannon, the mathematician who laid the
foundation of
modern information theory while working at Bell Labs in the 1940s, died on ...
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>I am agreeing with you 100% in regards to having language be fairly
>compressed, and in order to understand it, we must have 'frames' in order
>to recompress.
Did you mean "decompress"? It is not clear.
And what context are you using the term "frames"? The word has several
rather tightly defined meanings. For example, Results 1 - 10 of about
11,600 for "Marvin Minsky" frames.
Minsky, Marvin -- Encyclopædia Britannica
... Marvin Minsky born August 9, 1927, New York, New York, US ... In 1975
Minsky
developed the concept of “frames” to identify precisely the general ...
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Dictionary of Philosophy of Mind - Minsky, Marvin
... involving ‘frames’ that inherit their variable assignments from previously
defined frames, to account for many cognitive phenomena. ...
www.artsci.wustl.edu/~philos/MindDict/minsky.html - 5k - 3 Apr 2005 -
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Marvin Minsky.
Marvin Minsky - unfairly criticised for optimism? ... Minsky’s solution is
frames (often compared with Roger Schank’s similar strategy of scripts). ...
www.consciousentities.com/minsky.htm - 15k - Cached - Similar pages
>Here's another direction, however: I'm thinking that a group of people
>having a conversation about X, compress their understanding of X to the
>point that they all can refer back to the memory in order to discuss it.
>Therefore, if we want them to have a memory of a meme in order to be able
>to refer back to it later, it will be good to layer in a meme,
>interweaving into a conversation, with regular stops for <information
>without content> - jokes, social niceties, etc.
Replace "meme" with cookie in the above. It will make as much or as little
sense.
>In regards to your lemma -
Far from being *mine.* That's Euler's formula. The derivation is a
Macllaurin series which is a special kind of Taylor series. It has been a
*long* time since I took the courses so I can only guess, but I think you
might get to this near the end of the second or third semester of
calculus. (Anyone taken math courses more recently than the 60s?)
>that may actually be a nifty little bit of math that I was looking for! I
>kid you not! I was trying to find a way to express 0 to infinity as a set
>of gradations in degrees or radians. 0 to oo = pi on an exponential scale
>in the math I am trying to do, and here's a bit of math that seems to
>match up! What kind of engineering is the book doing?
Math at this level and well beyond is used in all engineering fields.
>Also, consider this: foreign language learning is often a case of getting
>the students to shut up and be exposed to enough of the foreign language
>that they begin to zazz it together with their own knowledge and
>understanding. The more interlocking information they begin to realize
>they have access to, the more powerful the synthesis moment.
It is obvious you don't have much technical background. Most of the people
on a list like this are happy to answer well framed questions, but we can't
give you the background on line you need to communicate in a "place" like
the virus list.
We can suggest what courses you need to take and what essential articles
and books you need to read to come up to speed. It would be useful if you
want such advice for you to say where you are in math and what of the core
material (such as _Selfish Gene_, Evolution of Cooperation_, etc) you have
read.
Best wishes,
Keith Henson
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