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virus: Invest with the crooks...
« on: 2005-03-08 02:15:55 » |
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...considering the current and growing wave of political corruption in the
form of corporate bed-buddies and all-too-convenient legislation, could it
be considered sound financial strategy to simply invest in the publicly held
companies which have intimate ties to high level cabinet members? perhaps
selling just before an election just in case while researching the new guy's
corporate buddies? the FDA is a great example and a good place to start
mining. any thoughts? from phizer to Halliburton, it seems an interesting
approach.
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RE: virus: Invest with the crooks...
« Reply #1 on: 2005-03-23 16:00:22 » |
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One of the problems of investing with the crooks comes in the danger of not
being "in-the-loop". If for example they conspire to pull one of those
pump and dump scams, if you don't know the dump is coming, you get screwed
with everyone else maybe even worse.
Of course somebody will alway feel tempted to pet one of those polar bears,
they are so cute looking after all . . .
-Jake
> [Original Message]
> From: Dr Sebby <drsebby@hotmail.com>
> To: <virus@lucifer.com>
> Date: 03/07/2005 11:16:18 PM
> Subject: virus: Invest with the crooks...
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> ...considering the current and growing wave of political corruption in
the
> form of corporate bed-buddies and all-too-convenient legislation, could
it
> be considered sound financial strategy to simply invest in the publicly
held
> companies which have intimate ties to high level cabinet members?
perhaps
> selling just before an election just in case while researching the new
guy's
> corporate buddies? the FDA is a great example and a good place to start
> mining. any thoughts? from phizer to Halliburton, it seems an
interesting
> approach.
>
>
> DrSebby.
> "Courage...and shuffle the cards".
>
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RE: virus: Invest with the crooks...
« Reply #2 on: 2005-03-23 16:29:29 » |
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And of course on the other side of the sword comes the blade that puts you
in the same criminal responsibility as the crooks if you actually are
in-the-loop. Of course crooks don't care about this, but the question is
do you?
-Jake
> [Original Message]
> From: Jake Sapiens <every1hz@earthlink.net>
> To: <virus@lucifer.com>
> Date: 03/23/2005 10:57:00 AM
> Subject: RE: virus: Invest with the crooks...
>
> One of the problems of investing with the crooks comes in the danger of
not
> being "in-the-loop". If for example they conspire to pull one of those
> pump and dump scams, if you don't know the dump is coming, you get screwed
> with everyone else maybe even worse.
>
> Of course somebody will alway feel tempted to pet one of those polar
bears,
> they are so cute looking after all . . .
>
> -Jake
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Dr Sebby <drsebby@hotmail.com>
> > To: <virus@lucifer.com>
> > Date: 03/07/2005 11:16:18 PM
> > Subject: virus: Invest with the crooks...
> >
> >
> > ...considering the current and growing wave of political corruption in
> the
> > form of corporate bed-buddies and all-too-convenient legislation, could
> it
> > be considered sound financial strategy to simply invest in the publicly
> held
> > companies which have intimate ties to high level cabinet members?
> perhaps
> > selling just before an election just in case while researching the new
> guy's
> > corporate buddies? the FDA is a great example and a good place to
start
> > mining. any thoughts? from phizer to Halliburton, it seems an
> interesting
> > approach.
> >
> >
> > DrSebby.
> > "Courage...and shuffle the cards".
> >
> >
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Re:virus: Invest with the crooks...
« Reply #3 on: 2005-03-24 06:06:45 » |
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This is not a financial strategy. It is called collaboration with the criminals.
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RE: virus: Invest with the crooks...
« Reply #4 on: 2005-03-24 06:23:21 » |
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....i know this may sound terribly apathetic, but hear me out: it has long
been observed that the great masses move and follow ideas either widely held
amongst them, or just a little bit ahead of those they hold. therefore,
truly brilliant or insightful ideas are a lost cause....i remind you of my
monkey island presidential race where one candidate offers free bananas, and
the other outlines plans to invest in the mass planting of banana trees.
being monkeys, the immediate reward of a few bananas will seem the most
appealing to them. this is very similar to our current populace. so for me
to devote my life to combatting widely held beliefs/feelings amongst the
masses is an utter waste of my life. for me to 'stand up' and rebel against
widely supported ideas, would at the very best create a tiny, tiny, tiny
dent...which would immediately vanish upon my passing(likely at the hands of
those i aspire to enlighten). therefore, i think choosing ones battles is
a wise proposal.
...therefore, for me to NOT invest in bush/cheney's friends companies will
accomplish nothing. 50% of the country think these evil-psycho-crooks are
splendid....and i'll gaurantee you 10 yrs from now that number will be 60% -
based on the increasing stupidity of the average citizen(more people, fewer
resources, more desperation, less education etc...).
...i am so far outside of the 'bubble', that can almost be assumed that
anything i think would be 'good', would be seen as 'very bad' by the masses.
what do you think Jakey Poo?
DrSebby.
"Courage...and shuffle the cards".
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Jake Sapiens" <every1hz@earthlink.net>
Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
To: virus@lucifer.com
Subject: RE: virus: Invest with the crooks...
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:29:29 -0800
And of course on the other side of the sword comes the blade that puts you
in the same criminal responsibility as the crooks if you actually are
in-the-loop. Of course crooks don't care about this, but the question is
do you?
-Jake
> [Original Message]
> From: Jake Sapiens <every1hz@earthlink.net>
> To: <virus@lucifer.com>
> Date: 03/23/2005 10:57:00 AM
> Subject: RE: virus: Invest with the crooks...
>
> One of the problems of investing with the crooks comes in the danger of
not
> being "in-the-loop". If for example they conspire to pull one of those
> pump and dump scams, if you don't know the dump is coming, you get
screwed
> with everyone else maybe even worse.
>
> Of course somebody will alway feel tempted to pet one of those polar
bears,
> they are so cute looking after all . . .
>
> -Jake
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Dr Sebby <drsebby@hotmail.com>
> > To: <virus@lucifer.com>
> > Date: 03/07/2005 11:16:18 PM
> > Subject: virus: Invest with the crooks...
> >
> >
> > ...considering the current and growing wave of political corruption in
> the
> > form of corporate bed-buddies and all-too-convenient legislation, could
> it
> > be considered sound financial strategy to simply invest in the publicly
> held
> > companies which have intimate ties to high level cabinet members?
> perhaps
> > selling just before an election just in case while researching the new
> guy's
> > corporate buddies? the FDA is a great example and a good place to
start
> > mining. any thoughts? from phizer to Halliburton, it seems an
> interesting
> > approach.
> >
> >
> > DrSebby.
> > "Courage...and shuffle the cards".
> >
> >
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RE: virus: Invest with the crooks...
« Reply #5 on: 2005-03-26 13:30:14 » |
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Dr Sebby
Sent: 08 March 2005 09:16 AM
...considering the current and growing wave of political corruption in
the
form of corporate bed-buddies and all-too-convenient legislation, could
it
be considered sound financial strategy to simply invest in the publicly
held
companies which have intimate ties to high level cabinet members?
perhaps
selling just before an election just in case while researching the new
guy's
corporate buddies? the FDA is a great example and a good place to start
mining. any thoughts? from phizer to Halliburton, it seems an
interesting
approach.
[Blunderov] Hello everybody. Life seems to be regaining stability on my
end - light at the end of the tunnel anyway.
Dr Sebby; how much money would you be likely to make with such a
strategy? I recall reading about a supposedly foolproof horse race
betting system; the punter resolutely backs every favourite for a place
and places no other wagers. In this way he is almost certain to go home
with some money in his pocket. Probably not very much money though.
Nothing venture nothing gain.
Adams' "invisible hand" is likely to be applicable to the investments of
which you speak. The price you pay for these shares is likely to be
close to their actual value (if not more!) and the chances of realising
any significant gains seem to me to be negligible. It may be better to
simply put the money in a bank. But not in the form of a mortgage! From
what I read, the USA property market is a bubble waiting to pop.
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RE: virus: Invest with the crooks...
« Reply #6 on: 2005-03-28 19:17:10 » |
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...well, i dont mean to suggest blind investment. the best approach along
these lines would be something like this....
1. research frontrunner candidates or the newly elected. discover their
special interest corporates and their ilk. this large number of potentials
will be your 'primary' pool.
2. go deep into these companies with your research...eliminate the unsavory
(those which have likely peaked, those whose products just plain suck, the
more unstable, those deeper in debt, those not putting much money back into
the company etc...
3. from the remaining candidates, pick the standouts, perhaps those less
dependant on 'political assistance'.
....oh, and that Real Estate bubble? it might be a small bubble...but keep
in mind; more people in the world every year, same amount of Real
Estate....people gravitate towards established metro meccas thinking that
they offer the last of opportunity...they oft wind up staying, and
eventually have to buy...regardless of the price. aint no bubble i'm
guessing....unless you consider annual price increases dropping from 30% to
15%. anything in a metro area priced under 225,000$ will likely shoot up to
around 400,000$ or more within 6yrs. after that it slows down simply
because you run out of people able to put up the money.
DrSebby.
"Courage...and shuffle the cards".
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Blunderov" <squooker@mweb.co.za>
Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
To: <virus@lucifer.com>
Subject: RE: virus: Invest with the crooks...
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:30:14 +0200
Dr Sebby
Sent: 08 March 2005 09:16 AM
...considering the current and growing wave of political corruption in
the
form of corporate bed-buddies and all-too-convenient legislation, could
it
be considered sound financial strategy to simply invest in the publicly
held
companies which have intimate ties to high level cabinet members?
perhaps
selling just before an election just in case while researching the new
guy's
corporate buddies? the FDA is a great example and a good place to start
mining. any thoughts? from phizer to Halliburton, it seems an
interesting
approach.
[Blunderov] Hello everybody. Life seems to be regaining stability on my
end - light at the end of the tunnel anyway.
Dr Sebby; how much money would you be likely to make with such a
strategy? I recall reading about a supposedly foolproof horse race
betting system; the punter resolutely backs every favourite for a place
and places no other wagers. In this way he is almost certain to go home
with some money in his pocket. Probably not very much money though.
Nothing venture nothing gain.
Adams' "invisible hand" is likely to be applicable to the investments of
which you speak. The price you pay for these shares is likely to be
close to their actual value (if not more!) and the chances of realising
any significant gains seem to me to be negligible. It may be better to
simply put the money in a bank. But not in the form of a mortgage! From
what I read, the USA property market is a bubble waiting to pop.
Best Regards.
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RE: virus: Invest with the crooks...
« Reply #7 on: 2005-03-28 22:34:04 » |
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At 02:17 AM 29/03/05 +0200, DrSebby wrote:
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>....oh, and that Real Estate bubble? it might be a small bubble...but
>keep in mind; more people in the world every year, same amount of Real
>Estate....
I think you have to think carefully about the "more people." There
certainly have been drops, the black death killed about 25% of the European
population but in some places it was much worse. Some of the towns in
Italy *never* recovered.
Given that the population is way out beyond sustainable, unless the energy
situation is solved, there is going to be a population "correction" sooner
or later.
Keith Henson
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RE: virus: Invest with the crooks...
« Reply #8 on: 2005-03-30 01:36:56 » |
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Dr Sebby
Sent: 29 March 2005 02:17 AM
...well, i dont mean to suggest blind investment. the best approach
along
these lines would be something like this....
1. research frontrunner candidates or the newly elected. discover their
special interest corporates and their ilk. this large number of
potentials
will be your 'primary' pool.
2. go deep into these companies with your research...eliminate the
unsavory
(those which have likely peaked, those whose products just plain suck,
the
more unstable, those deeper in debt, those not putting much money back
into
the company etc...
3. from the remaining candidates, pick the standouts, perhaps those
less
dependant on 'political assistance'.
....oh, and that Real Estate bubble? it might be a small bubble...but
keep
in mind; more people in the world every year, same amount of Real
Estate....people gravitate towards established metro meccas thinking
that
they offer the last of opportunity...they oft wind up staying, and
eventually have to buy...regardless of the price. aint no bubble i'm
guessing....unless you consider annual price increases dropping from 30%
to
15%. anything in a metro area priced under 225,000$ will likely shoot
up to
around 400,000$ or more within 6yrs. after that it slows down simply
because you run out of people able to put up the money.
[Blunderov] Put that way, your investment strategy seems reasonable; it
seems likely that those in power will look after their own interests and
if those interests happen to be your own interests too, then you're
smiling. As long as you can buy low and sell high. (Profound, no?)
But still I would be chary of real estate.
http://www.rubbernet.com.sg/USA2005.htm makes interesting, if
disturbing, reading:
<snip>
In many parts of the US, home price inflation has become alarming. An
apartment in Manhattan is now above $1 million. Home prices in Boston
have risen by 64% in five years. California real estate prices are
soaring. On average US home prices have risen 50% in six years, an
unprecedented rise, driven by Greenspan's easy credit. In seven years to
2004, prices of US homes had risen on paper by $7 trillion to a total of
$15 trillion, the highest in US history. The problem is so obviously
dangerous, that Greenspan recently was forced to deny existence of any
real estate "bubble", much as he denied a dot.com stock bubble in 2000.
But that is exactly what he has created with his low interest rates. The
dot.com bubble has been transformed into a larger and more threatening
real estate bubble. Families have been convinced to invest in a home as
an alternative to buying stocks for their pension years. </snip>
[Blunderov] Underpinning the whole system of course is access to a cheap
and stable oil supply (I must be in profound mode today!)Some more
interesting, if disquieting, material is to be found at
http://news.goldseek.com/CliveMaund/1110121201.php
<snip>
When the bubble burst in 2000 to 2001, the kindly Greenspan dropped
interest rates like a stone channelling the world's trillions into Real
Estate and commodities markets and providing the basis to generate
equity bubble's son, baby bubble which we are now about to see come
apart. This was great because the ever accommodative money lenders
concocted new derivatives variants, hedge funds "with whistles, bells
and dancing gals", mortgage schemes that would turn any old style banker
white as a ghost.</snip>
[Blunderov] Will we all muddle through somehow? Or is this (in Keith's
phrase) the dreaded "looming privation"? I'll say this much though; I am
very glad I don't live in Taiwan.
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« Reply #9 on: 2005-03-30 02:44:20 » |
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[Blunderov] ...if there is any sort of meaningful economy left in which
to invest.
The price of petrol goes up at South Africa's pumps by 50c a litre
today; it is now the most expensive it has ever been. We can count
ourselves lucky to have the consolation of a relatively strong Rand.
Zimbabwe next door simply doesn't have any at petrol at all.
Maybe my early training as a hippy will come in handy after all.
Permaculture anyone?
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/7203633?rnd=1111797407968&ha
s-player=true&version=6.0.12.1040
The Long Emergency
What's going to happen as we start running out of cheap gas to guzzle?
By JAMES HOWARD KUNSTLER
<snip>
The circumstances of the Long Emergency will require us to downscale and
re-scale virtually everything we do and how we do it, from the kind of
communities we physically inhabit to the way we grow our food to the way
we work and trade the products of our work. Our lives will become
profoundly and intensely local. Daily life will be far less about
mobility and much more about staying where you are. Anything organized
on the large scale, whether it is government or a corporate business
enterprise such as Wal-Mart, will wither as the cheap energy props that
support bigness fall away. The turbulence of the Long Emergency will
produce a lot of economic losers, and many of these will be members of
an angry and aggrieved former middle class. </snip>
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« Reply #10 on: 2005-03-30 04:09:20 » |
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....i always figured the internet bubble was created by two factors, almost
exclusively. here's my theory:
1. lack of credibility for advertisers. the ads are crappy, usually
associated with some trickery or scam or simply annoying popups etc....which
led people to avoid them, close them, disbelieve them, and generally see
them as easily manufactured by anyone, therefore, not to be trusted or
clicked upon (as most would have it).
2. the simple fact that unless youre saving oodles of money, people...and
especially women, enjoy the shopping experience, getting out...people
watching, interacting, seeing lots of things quickly and in depth, and who
knows what else(lots of things happen to those that leave their houses).
...i recall wondering back in the early days, "who the hell is keeping these
advertisers' afloat by clicking on their ads and pop-ups?...i know i never
do!"
...i guess i wasn't the only one =) it's a pity.
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« Reply #11 on: 2005-04-04 17:38:58 » |
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....strongly disagree senor Keith! there will not be any significant
'correction' i'd wager. instead, there will be a curtailing of life
expectancies. e.g...overpopulation with regards to resources, logistics,
and community issues(disease, psychological aspects,etc.) creates various
hardships...and the older and infirm do not deal well with these.
DrSebby.
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From: Keith Henson <hkhenson@rogers.com>
Given that the population is way out beyond sustainable, unless the energy
situation is solved, there is going to be a population "correction" sooner
or later.
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RE: virus: Invest with the crooks...
« Reply #12 on: 2005-03-04 19:52:23 » |
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At 11:38 PM 04/04/05 +0200, you wrote:
>....strongly disagree senor Keith! there will not be any significant
>'correction' i'd wager. instead, there will be a curtailing of life
>expectancies. e.g...overpopulation with regards to resources, logistics,
>and community issues(disease, psychological aspects,etc.) creates various
>hardships...and the older and infirm do not deal well with these.
You might be right, but history does not strongly support your view. When
people start feeling the pinch, they adopt meme sets like nazism, or OBL's
mode of dealing with the world. This psychological trait is rooted in the
stone age when there were periodic imbalances between population and resources.
In truth, the energy the sun puts out could support a vast population at a
very high degree of wealth per person, but the technology to do so is not
quite here yet.
Keith
PS. For example in European history, consider either the black death or
the parts of Europe overrun by the Mongols. For an even more impressive
example, consider the Mayans where a population of perhaps 14 million died off.
>DrSebby.
>"Courage...and shuffle the cards".
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>----Original Message Follows----
>From: Keith Henson <hkhenson@rogers.com>
>Given that the population is way out beyond sustainable, unless the energy
>situation is solved, there is going to be a population "correction" sooner
>or later.
>
>Keith Henson
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This is an article from MIT Technology review with instructions on how to reap the benefits of a patent. The only reason that I am posting the link here is that it instantly reminded me of the title of this thread, investing with the crooks. 
http://www.technologyreview.com/articles/05/04/tri/tri_040405patent.asp?p=0
What You Need to Know About Patents and Their Value
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