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Church & State Separation: Good or bad?
« on: 2003-08-12 16:58:50 » |
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I have never completely indulged myself in learning about this topic, but recently, I came upon this little bit of information: the separation of church and state law was proposed to protect the church because the founders of the US Constitution knew that the US government would always regulate itself. If church and state were not separated then the state would regulate religion and "freedom of religon" would be nearly non-existent. From a Virian (or MetaVirian) plane of perspective, is church and state separation a good or bad idea? Why?
*Italics: "little bit of information."
*Post-Italics: my own musings.
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Re:Church & State Separation: Good or bad?
« Reply #1 on: 2003-08-13 07:19:23 » |
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The reason you have has been put forward and certainly contains elements of truth, although according to Jefferson and Madison, it was not intended so much to protect the church from the state as to protect one religion from another. Right up into the late 1800s the US was plagued with riots between Catholics and Protestants, which lead to large scale unrest and its usual messy consequences. It was not much different in the 1770s when fundamentalists in various states were proclaiming an assortment of "Official State Religions", but it should be noted that "scarce one in ten" was "churched" (i.e. a member of a conventional religion). This explains the response to Franklin's suggestion that the Constitutional Convention open with prayer (ignored) and the Treaty of Tripoli, Art 11, "the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion."
All religions are fundamentally a mechanism permitting extended, non-genetically based tribal groups to form and work together against other groups. This is still very visable in many parts of Africa. As this is not only irrational but highly counterproductive in the modern context, when our greater interest is better served by minimizing the scale of conflicts, I think that most members of the CoV would likely advocate that religious exercises, like the equally messy processes of masturbation and the writing of poetry, be avoided in public forums.
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With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. - Steven Weinberg, 1999
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