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Symbol for the Brights
« on: 2003-07-20 10:58:44 » |
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Here is the logo design I submitted to the Brights' Movement.
http://www.the-brights.net/symbol_icon_submit.htm
> The criteria I used for this design were:
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> 1) Simplicity. The symbol should be easy enough for a child to draw, but lend itself to
> recognizable variations in all manner of media from letterhead and web pages to jewelry,
> graffiti, and fine art.
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> 2) Symbolism. The triangle represents fire or light which is enclosed, embodied or
> embraced by the circle. Like a flame in a lantern or a fire in a hearth, the illuminating
> ideas of a naturalistic worldview burns in the mind of a bright.
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Re:Symbol for the Brights
« Reply #2 on: 2003-07-20 17:44:12 » |
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I, for one, do not see that organization as a unique entity. Despite The Brights' good intent and its seemingly realistic personality, I think the Church of Virus serves the same purpose better. In regards to the symbol, Lucifer, I believe that symbol has been taken, quite possible in modern design and very well in the past.
Refer to this page for a description of the symbol. Using the symbol for The Brights would contradict their naturalistic perspective.
Building a brand identity is far more complex and rigorous of a process than simply designing a logo. Identity design is a job best left to professionals in that particular field. "Free" logos usually cost an organization more than paying for the services of an identity design firm.
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Re:Symbol for the Brights
« Reply #3 on: 2003-07-21 05:06:29 » |
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I have my reservations concerning the brights, but on the whole I think it's something to be welcomed and I wish them well. I like the logo design and from what I recall of the other submissions this should be better than the majority. The idea of appropriating a trinity symbol is very Virian.
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Re:Symbol for the Brights
« Reply #4 on: 2003-07-21 22:57:26 » |
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Kharin:
Slight problem there: the Brights isn't the Church of Virus. Using hypocrisy as the primary strategy to propagate a serious idea isn't a good strategy at all. People are generally skeptical of such ideas that contradict themselves. Unique and strange ideas have to be taken seriously in order to be successfully and efficiently propagated. It's unfortunate that the CoV web site include so much content that contradicts itself in order to "chase away the Xians." We'd have so much more members if we didn't use hypocrisy, but I suppose that's what gives us a sense of community... a community of people who took a chance with a unique and strange idea.
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Re:Symbol for the Brights
« Reply #5 on: 2003-07-21 23:48:04 » |
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Quote from: Demon on 2003-07-21 22:57:26
It's unfortunate that the CoV web site include so much content that contradicts itself in order to "chase away the Xians." We'd have so much more members if we didn't use hypocrisy, but I suppose that's what gives us a sense of community... a community of people who took a chance with a unique and strange idea.
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The CoV web site doesn't use hypocrisy as far as I know. What are you talking about?
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Re:Symbol for the Brights
« Reply #6 on: 2003-07-22 14:22:00 » |
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Quote from: David Lucifer on 2003-07-21 23:48:04
Quote from: Demon on 2003-07-21 22:57:26
It's unfortunate that the CoV web site include so much content that contradicts itself in order to "chase away the Xians." We'd have so much more members if we didn't use hypocrisy, but I suppose that's what gives us a sense of community... a community of people who took a chance with a unique and strange idea.
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The CoV web site doesn't use hypocrisy as far as I know. What are you talking about?
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I agree, however, to the not-so-super-smart public there is much that can be construed as hypocrisy when one follows the general definition of "church" or "religion." We should not limit our membership to only those who would take a chance with our philosophy. Many people that I've found to be intelligent and rational have been turned away from the CoV because there is an air of hypocrisy and (evil) cult-like attributes. The perceived hypocrisy stems from the words "church" and "religion", and the perception of the CoV as an (evil) cult comes from the word "virus." Even though we're honest about our goal (e.g. our goal is to infect you!), it takes a lot of reading to completely understand what the CoV is and is not.
The CoV philosophy should be able to be presented to others without the hassle of educating them about memes and the other "big" words used on the site. Come to think of it... when I first came here years ago, I had no idea what a meme was. It took me a year before I could understand what anyone in the chat was talking about, but I took a chance and was willing to learn.
We don't want members who are fanatic (dogmatic) followers like many members of the Christian church, but we also don't want to end up like Mensa or Ilia...
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Re:Symbol for the Brights
« Reply #7 on: 2003-07-23 15:35:55 » |
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The Hermit and I can't figure out what you mean by hypocrisy here. Care to elaborate?
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Re:Symbol for the Brights
« Reply #10 on: 2003-07-29 19:53:28 » |
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My 2nd submission.
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Re:Symbol for the Brights
« Reply #11 on: 2003-07-29 21:06:12 » |
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I like this one better. It is less "tainted" with historical symbolism, yet it is just as simple. A very good logo.
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Re:Symbol for the Brights
« Reply #12 on: 2003-07-29 21:30:02 » |
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Unlike Ophis, I find the new one too reminiscent of both the WW I "German Cross" and that of the "Knights of St John" and vastly prefered your first effort.
I have a suggestion, but don't have the time to implement it. Perhaps somebody here would like to try their hand at it.
Think of a powder blue graph chart as a background. This fades out upward and to the right. On this is represented an electrocardiam of a pulse in red, transforming into a squarewave data signal with embedded synchronous clock as it crosses the page. This is overlaid by a bold, stylized pharos (beacon or lighthouse), with a single flame in the form of a fibonacchi curve above it. Polaris is positioned alongside the flame and Ursa Minor (including construction lines) off to one side of it, balancing the graph below. The base of the pharos to be a newly inverted hourglass. The outline of the hourglass should comprise a golden mean. The spiral of sand trickling down within the hourglass to be formed as a DNA helix.
This composition represents man (pulse), master of life (DNA and fibonnacchi), space-time (Polaris and Ursa minor) and information (digital). It reflects tradition (mathematics, astronomy, the hourglass and the golden mean), reason (the graph paper and Pharos), empathy (fire) and vision (stars) as guides to our future (the empty lower hourglass and the digital format).
While a simple logo, it has the advantages that it is hand drawable (omitting the graph), printable (in monochrome or color), is easily animatable, and bears a wealth of symbolism in highly compressed format.
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With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. - Steven Weinberg, 1999
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