From: joedees@bellsouth.net
Date: Sun Jan 27 2002 - 22:04:05 MST
On 26 Jan 2002 at 16:45, athe nonrex wrote:
> [athenonrex]
> it's my turn...as we all are on the mailing list of CoV, i am going to assume that we all have knowledge of the properties, characteristics and classifications of memes and meme complexes, so forgive the following jargon if i use to much.
>
> the majority of all religion (note this IS a generalization and does not apply to ALL) is auto-toxic. they preach their followers to be careless of their bodies in the physical world with a promise of eternal or perpetual bliss in the hereafter, the way beyond, the afterlife, heaven,
etc...they preach to their followers that they should do what god, or more appropriatly, what god's ministers, tell them to do, at whatever cost to there bodies in the physical realm. now, maybe its just me, but from a phychological standing point, any religion (or anyTHING for that matter) that
can convince a person, or two, or 1.4billion, is a very dangerous thing. the reason that the muslims and islam are the targets of focus right now is that they are the ones doing these things that so many people are *appalled* by. and the reason that [today] most people that are terrorists are
islamic is that the majority of islamic states are dirt fucking poor and their peoples are without hope for any!
> improvement here on earth. [enter the dictators] the dictators then take this faith of the slamic people and turn many jaded, hopeless, starving people and feed tham and tell them that allah wants them to do [insert terroristic deed here] in the name of allah, turning many of them into
suicidal human smart bombs.
>
> and the reason that the christians aren't doing this [right now] is because they mostly live in places where there can be some form of hope for a better tomarrow, and possibly even a better today. but i assure you that the christians are responsable for more deaths thoughout history that the
muslims, the jews and the nihlist fascists combined.
> [*check* but not mate]
>
The petrowealthy Bin Laden does not feel the exigencies of
doorwolves. Nether do the Saudi-subsidized Wahhabis. Poverty is a
poor explanation, considering that significant percentages of much
poorer people in Africa, Central America and Southeast Asia are not
generally exhibiting these savage proclivities (with the exception of the
areas in SE Asia where Islam has spread). In the case of Pol Pot, he
was under the sway of another utopic meme, agrarian communism, and
was killing all opposition in his own country to reify his dream, not
attacking unbelievers across sovereign borders. Similar communist
memes have infested the Stalinist USSR and Maoist China, and a
different, more acquisitive, racially based totalitarian meme (Nazism)
infected the Third Reich (a milder little brother, fascism, infected Italy).
Japan was infected by the belief in the deity of their temporal leader,
and a sense of their racial superiority on the basis of their association
with him (since he was also japanese) combined with a sense of
manifest destiny encompassing the Pacific theatre. Most of the people
who were killed by Christians in the name of their religion were killed
during the Middle Ages (Inquisition and Crusades and Hundred Years'
War and missionary colonialism, etc.), after which Christianity has been
gradually and progressively defanged by the moderating and
domesticating influence of the Enlightenment and
scientific/technological advance. However, Islam has never completely
come to terms with modernity; a significant chunk of its adherents still
embrace a medievalistic mindset concerning their purported divine
license to kill or convert all infidel unbelievers. Their main interest in
science and technology seems to be to use it to figure out how to kill as
many cursed unbelievers at one time as possible, without absorbing
any of the lessons that could be learned by simply asking "why does
this stuff work?" and following the answers to their logical conclusions.
Let us remember that one of the Islamic nuclear 'scientists' who met
with Bin Laden once published a paper on solving the world's energy
problems by harnessing genie-power!
>
> >> [Joe Dees] At this point, considering the written, spoken and recent
> >> historical evidence, I consider it beyond dispute that islam is presently
> >> the most absolutistic, fundamentalist, virulent and violent of the
> >> patriarchal monotheisms, or at leat exhibits the greatest tendency to slide
> >> in such a direction, as well asn the greatest percentage of adherents who
> >> have so slid, and thus poses the greatest threat to the advancement and
> >> progress of humanity towards enlightened secular humanism, the assimilation
> >> of the verification pronciple of science and popperian falsifiability, and
> >> virion ideals.
>
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