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! When

The weekly CoV chat is on Sundays at 1pm EST, 12pm CST, 11am MST, 6pm GMT, 10am in SecondLife.

Everyone is welcome to [join the chat | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chat].

!Upcoming chats

2006.07.09 - TBA

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! Future Chat Topics

Our culture's myths

[Democratic Transhumanism | http://www.changesurfer.com/Acad/DemocraticTranshumanism.htm]

What is evil?

What is spirtuality?

When is violence necessary?

Measuring intelligence

Personal identity and consciousness

Insanity

The wisdom of crowds

What makes a good decision?

What is law?

Nanotechnology

Propaganda

Race and racism

Group selection

Discrimination laws

Merits of patents

Buddhism

The environmental movement

The ethics of artifical intelligence.

Are there any smart drugs?

Human nature and the blank slate.

What does it mean to be human, transhuman, posthuman?

What is the relation between math and the world?

What are the interesting implications of Godel's incompleteness theorem?

Summarize Virus: How would you summarize the core beliefs of the CoV?

Best Books: What are the most important books to recommend?

Value: What is it? How can we measure it? How do we determine it? What is the value of a human life?

Free Will: Do we have free will? If so, how much? If not, what are the consequences?

Rationality: what is the nature of rationality? What kinds of things can be rational? How can we tell one something is rational or not?

Democracy: everyone agrees it isn't perfect, but is it optimal? Or is it out-dated? Can we conceive of something better?

Space: Should humans explore space? Is it feasible? economical? Why should we go? What are the consequences of not?

Community Tech: What would you like to see in the future of the BBS, IRC, Moo, etc?

VirusBookClub: Let's pick a book to discuss.

Faith: Remember the old faith/phaith/dogma wars? Time for an update.

Saints: Who should be the 2nd Virian Saint?

IP rights: Can you imagine a world without intellectual property rights (patents, copyright). What would happen?

Empathy: what role does it play especially when it can be used as a weapon...

Fill in the blanks: Life is a _ _ _ _ that needs to be _ _ _ _ .

What is the role of myth in today's society?

What is intelligence? How do we decide when someone is being intelligent or stupid? How can we increase intelligence?

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!Chat Logs

2006.07.02 - Rational strategies for irrationality - [chat log | http://www.churchofvirus.org/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2006-07-02;time=11:00;start=0;max=30]

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2005.04.26 - What is spirituality? - [chat log | http://www.churchofvirus.org/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2005-04-26;time=19:00;start=0;max=30]

2005.04.19 - Why do males rule? - [chat log | http://www.churchofvirus.org/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2005-04-19;time=19:00;start=0;max=30]

2005.04.12 - The value of a promise - [chat log | http://www.churchofvirus.org/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2005-04-12;time=19:00;start=0;max=30]

2005.04.05 - What if you were pope? - [chat log | http://www.churchofvirus.org/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2005-04-05;time=19:00;start=0;max=30]

2005.03.29 - Crime and punishment - [chat log | http://www.churchofvirus.org/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2005-03-29;time=19:00;start=0;max=30]

2005.03.22 - Right to die - [chat log | http://www.churchofvirus.org/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2005-03-22;time=19:00;start=0;max=30]

2005.03.15 - Dogmatistm - [chat log | http://www.churchofvirus.org/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2005-03-15;time=19:00;start=0;max=30]

2005.03.08 - A decade of Virus - [chat log | http://www.churchofvirus.org/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2005-03-08;time=19:00;start=0;max=30]

2004.12.07 - Addiction - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2004-12-07;time=19:00;start=0;max=30]

2004.11.30 - A nation of savages - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2004-11-30;time=19:00;start=0;max=30]

2004.11.16 - What do you fear? - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2004-11-16;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2004.11.09 - [The Road to Fascism | http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/11/6/9523/36989 ] - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2004-11-09;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2004.11.02 - US Election - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2004-11-02;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2004.09.14 - Circle of empathy - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2004-09-14;time=18:00;start=0;max=30]

2004.09.07 - The foundations of civilization - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2004-09-07;time=18:00;start=0;max=30]

2004.08.31 - When is self-deception rational? - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2004-08-31;time=18:00;start=0;max=30]

2004.08.24 - Proactionary principle - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2004-08-24;time=18:00;start=0;max=30]

2004.08.17 - Climate change - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2004-08-17;time=18:00;start=0;max=30]

2004.08.10 - Animal rights - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2004-08-10;time=18:00;start=0;max=30]

2004.08.03 - The problem with education - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2004-08-03;time=18:00;start=0;max=30]

2004.07.27 - The future of war - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2004-07-27;time=18:00;start=0;max=30]

2004.07.20 - Fahrenheit 9/11 - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2004-07-20;time=18:00;start=0;max=30]

2004.07.13 - Future of biotech - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2004-07-13;time=18:00;start=0;max=30]

2004.07.06 - Free speech - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2004-07-06;time=18:00;start=0;max=30]

2004.06.29 - [Collective volition | http://sl4.org/bin/wiki.pl?CollectiveVolition] - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2004-06-29;time=18:00;start=0;max=30]

2004.06.22 - Private space exploration - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2004-06-22;time=18:00;start=0;max=30]

2004.06.15 - Recruiting women - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2004-06-15;time=18:00;start=0;max=30]

2004.06.08 - Social software - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2004-06-08;time=18:00;start=0;max=30]

2004.06.01 - Libertarianism makes you stupid - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2004-06-01;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2004.05.25 - Merits of elitism - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2004-05-25;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2004.05.18 - What should be free? - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2004-05-18;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2004.05.11 - Who Matters? - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2004-05-11;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2004.05.04 - What Matters? - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2004-05-04;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2004.04.27 - Conflict Resolution Revisited - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2004-04-27;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2004.04.20 - Uploading and Consciousness - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2004-04-20;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2004.04.13 - Crime and Punishment - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2004-04-13;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2004.04.06 - Gun Control - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2004-04-06;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2004.03.30 - Conflict Resolution - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2004-03-30;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2004.03.23 - Values and Utility - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2004-03-23;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2004.03.16 - Poverty and Global Inequality - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2004-03-16;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2004.03.09 - When does the end justify the means? - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2004-03-09;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2004.03.02 - The Future of Sex - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2004-03-02;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2004.02.24 - When does someone become rational? - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2004-02-24;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2004.02.17 - The Future of Leisure - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2004-02-17;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2004.02.10 - Ethics of Proselytization - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2004-02-10;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2004.02.03 - Modern Luddites - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2004-02-03;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2004.01.20 - Taboos - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2004-01-20;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2004.01.13 - What is the purpose of principles?  - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2004-01-13;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2004.01.06 - Apathy and Irony  - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2004-01-06;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.12.23 - Can information be owned? - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-12-23;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.12.16 - Immortality: the Virian perspective - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-12-16;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.12.09 - Personal responsibility  - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-12-09;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.12.02 - The teleosophy of Radiance - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-12-02;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.11.25 - How attached are you to your body? - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-11-25;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.11.18 - Defining atheism - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-11-18;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.11.11 - Improving [Meridion] - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-11-11;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.11.04 - [Sex, Drugs and Cults | http://human-nature.com/nibbs/02/cults.html]- [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-11-04;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.10.28 - Socialism vs. Capitalism - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-10-28;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.10.21 - Criticizing [Meridion] - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-10-21;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.10.14 - Responding to [Not So 'Bright' | http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110004153] - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-10-14;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.10.07 - DisciplinaryProcess - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-10-07;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.10.05 - Ideohazard #2 - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-10-05;time=17:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.09.30 - VR, the Fed, and other randomness - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-09-30;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.09.23 - Virian Village - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-09-23;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.09.16 - Infection 2004 planning - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-09-16;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.09.09 - Why be good? - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-09-09;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.09.02 - Raising a rational child. - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-09-02;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.08.26 - Fairness: What is fair? What is justice? - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-08-26;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.08.19 - Disownment - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-08-19;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.08.12 - Reputation, voting and concensus - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-08-12;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.08.05 - Schism: the pros and cons of splitting the CoV - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-08-05;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.07.29 - 10 year predictions: What will it be like to live in 2013? - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-07-29;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.07.22 - Postmodernism: What is it? Does it say anything of value? - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-07-22;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.07.15 - What is the significance of Bayes thereom? - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-07-15;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.07.08 - The possibility of extra-terrestrial life and intelligence. - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-07-08;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.07.01 - Why can't rational people agree on anything? - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-07-01;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.06.24 - Differences between the sexes - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-06-24;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.06.17 - Epistemology: What is knowledge? How do we know?  - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-06-17;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.06.10 - Memetics: what is the state of the "science"? - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-06-10;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.06.03 -  Building a Self-sufficient Church Community - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-06-03;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.05.27 - Are we in the Matrix? - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-05-27;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.05.13 - Evolutionary Psychology - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-05-13;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.05.06 - How to influence people - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-05-06;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.04.29 - Genes vs. Memes - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-04-29;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.04.25 - [Down And Out... | http://www.craphound.com/down/download.php] - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23vbc;date=2003-04-25;time=19:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.04.22 - What is [truth | WikiPedia:Truth]? - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-04-22;time=19:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.04.18 - Cults - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23vbc;date=2003-04-18;time=19:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.04.15 - Self-motivation - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-04-15;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.04.08 - Transparent Society - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-04-08;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.04.04 - MOPI - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23mopi;date=2003-04-04;time=19:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.04.01 - What is the Supergoal? - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-04-01;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.03.25 - What are human rights? - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-03-25;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.03.21 - What else is wrong with this world?- [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-03-21;time=16:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.03.18 - What is wrong with this world? - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-03-18;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.03.14 - Evangelism of the CoV - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-03-14;time=16:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.03.11 - The Nature of Evil - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-03-11;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.02.25 - [The Escalator of Reason | http://www.petersingerlinks.com/escalator.htm] - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-02-25;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.02.23 - [The Escalator of Reason | http://www.petersingerlinks.com/escalator.htm] - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-02-23;time=07:;start=0;max=30]

2003.02.18 - Death & Immortality - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-02-18;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.02.16 - Is there such thing as a selfless act? - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-02-16;time=07:;start=0;max=30]

2003.02.11 - How can we compete? - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-02-11;time=20:00;start=0;max=30]

2003.02.09 - How can we compete? - [chat log | http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=;action=chatlog2;channel=%23virus;date=2003-02-09;time=07:;start=0;max=30]

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