Re: virus: education and the state

chardin (chardin@uabid.dom.uab.edu)
Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:53:51 CST+6CDT


> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:05:54 -0400
> From: Sodom <sodom@ma.ultranet.com>
> Organization: Hedonism Unlimited
> To: virus@lucifer.com
> Subject: Re: virus: education and the state
> Reply-to: virus@lucifer.com

> Nathaniel Hall wrote:
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> > Sodom wrote:
> > Geez Nate, did you go to school with Rush Limbaugh? Perhaps hung
> > out
> > with Liddy?
> >
> > Oh I'm much, much , worse: Not only do I believe in freedom like
> > those fellows but I'm a non-believer also! I get to be hated by
> > everybody!
> >
> > c'mon. I know you hate the public schools, and that they had
> > problems with the California school system is not in question. But
> > could it be that you have lost your objectivity here? The
> > statistics don't back you up at the elementary level. I like my
> > public school system. I did well, received a scholarships to
> > college, and generally kicked ass. No private school in Arizona
> > sent as many kids to college as my public school did, and those
> > that did send a lot of kids on had to religiously indoctrinate
> > them.
> >
> > #1: If a whole bunch more people actually go to school "x" than to
> > school "y" is it any suprise that more come from "x" than from
> > "y"?
> > #2: I went to the university of Arizona and while I don't have
> > #first
> > hand knowledge of the high schools there I knew alot of local
> > students who didn't have much nice to say about thier schools.
> > #3: When your just giving away the stuff at no extra cost is it
> > #any
> > wonder that it's mostly the religious schools that are the only
> > ones rich enough to compete?
> >
> > Private schools are not so bad as you would like us to believe.
> >
> > Did you mean to say public schools here ?
> >
> > Did you check out the links at the bottom of the Educational
> > Reform Page? Lets see here, I see: The Christian Coalition,
> > Heritage Foundation, Family Research Council. For Satan, you sure
> > have an affinity with the Christian community.
> >
> >> Sodom,
> >> Bill Roh
> >> SODOM spelled backwards is MODOS, so look out!
> >
> > Politics makes for strange bedfellows! Hell , you know that
> > that
> > bunch would be on the public school side if thier brand of poison
> > was being pushed! (I picked out that website after a 15 minute
> > hunt through infoseek by the way)We happen to be on the same side
> > but for different reasons. The Nateman (or natas to some.)
>
> Hey Nate, i went to the UofA also, finished in 89'. Ya know, we
> won
> the National Basketball Cahmpionship last year, right?
>
> Yes, i meant public, thaks for the correction.
>
> Also, I do not believe in the way money is distributed to the public
> schools for sure. It does cater to the wealthy, the same way private
> schools do. I don't mean to insinuate that the public school system
> is great, just that it needs minor fixing, not abolishment. There is
> no doubt that if there were prayer meetings in public schools, many
> private schools would have to close down for lack of interest. Other
> than as history, religion has no place in school. As history though,
> it is a vital teaching.
>
> Sodom
>
Sodom, I agree with you totally. School is not the place for
religious instruction UNLESS it is a private, religious institution.
I come from the OLD BAPTIST TRADITION--separation of church and state
as far as that is possible. However, I also cannot see teaching
children something that supposedly happened 18 billion years ago (i.e.
the formation of the Universe) without predicating it with "THIS IS
ONLY A THEORY--AN EDUCATED GUESS--APT TO BE REVISED AND CHANGED AS
NEW INPUT IS RECEIVED. THIS IS NOT GOSPEL. DAWKINS WAS NOT THERE.
STEVEN HAWKING WAS NOT THERE AND NO ONE KNOWS WHERE IN THE HELL CARL
SAGAN IS RIGHT NOW--THAT IS ANYBODY'S GUESS. But, as I asked the
Nateman, if Sagan is in hell, do you suppose it is billions and
billions and billions of degrees there? Chardin