Re: virus: Socialism first, cancer second.

chardin (chardin@uabid.dom.uab.edu)
Sat, 11 Oct 1997 16:05:58 CST+6CDT


> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:36:50 -0600
> From: Nathaniel Hall <natehall@worldnet.att.net>
> To: virus@lucifer.com
> Subject: virus: Socialism first, cancer second.
> Reply-to: virus@lucifer.com

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> > > > Your point on "taking up resources that our brighter kids could use"
> > > > is way off, however. That viewpoint is socialistic -- which she emphatically
> > > > was not.
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> SKG wrote that last one.
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> >
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> > Well, explain this last one a little bit more.
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> > In socialist
> > countries EVERYONE has a chance, i.e., a friend of mine who is very
> > anti-socialist because he grew up in a socialist country, nonetheless
> > had words of praise for the school system.
>
> Sure you have a chance: a chance of being used as a resource rather than repected as a person, a chance
> of being a suspect or a labor camp inmate or in the case of socialist China the chance of being an organ
> donor prematurely because you happen to have the right genes with a foreigner who needs that organ and is
> willing to pay: Laogai Research Foundation (SPECIAL REPORT)
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> > His point was that the
> > resources were spent on all the children. It did not matter if you
> > lived in a fairly wealthy neighborhood where the tax base would be
> > good as in this country--all the children were taught math, science
> > and (and, of course, anti-religion) and when it came time to take class trips--all the children were
> > included in sking trips, etc.
>
> In socialist countries education is free and you get what you pay for. The schools here in the United
> States are essentially socialist up to the high school level and the socialization of colleges is well
> underway. What has it brought us? Rampant gangs where your children fear for their safety. High school
> grads who cannot read or write. Socialism taught as gospel truth. If schools were private with this kind
> of record do you think they would stay in business for long? The public schools however use their very
> failure as an excuse to pour even more money down their festering rat hole! It really doesn't take that
> much to educate a child: Home schoolers here in the U.S. fed up with the poor quality of public schools
> do a pretty decent job of educating their young even though they are made to pay the taxes for the public
> schools which they have chosen not to use. The teachers union fearing rightful extinction responds by
> trying to make home schooling illegal! Just another example of the tyranny and failure that will always
> result from socialism.
>
> > He is a very independant, capitalistic
> > ideals man and was a great admirer of Jack London and his
> > works--until I informed him that Jack started the Socialist Party in
> > this country--it almost broke his heart. Hardin
> >
>
> Never read the fellow. Guess I never will now.The Nateman
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> <P>> >&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Your point on "taking
> up resources that our brighter kids could use"
> <BR>> > is way off, however. That viewpoint is socialistic -- which she
> emphatically
> <BR>> > was not.</BLOCKQUOTE>
> SKG wrote that last one.&nbsp;
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> <P>Well, explain this last one a little bit more.</BLOCKQUOTE>
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> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>In socialist
> <BR>countries EVERYONE has a chance, i.e., a friend of mine who is very
> <BR>anti-socialist because he grew up in a socialist country, nonetheless
> <BR>had words of praise for the school system.</BLOCKQUOTE>
> Sure you have a chance: a chance of being used as a resource rather than
> repected as a person, a chance of being a suspect or a labor camp inmate
> or in the case of socialist China the chance of being an organ donor prematurely
> because you happen to have the right genes with a foreigner who needs that
> organ and is willing to pay:&nbsp; <A HREF="http://www.laogai.org/reports/comunst.htm">Laogai
> Research Foundation (SPECIAL REPORT)</A>
> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>&nbsp;His point was that the
> <BR>resources were spent on all the children.&nbsp; It did not matter if
> you
> <BR>lived in a fairly wealthy neighborhood where the tax base would be
> <BR>good as in this country--all the children were taught math, science
> <BR>and (and, of course, anti-religion) and&nbsp; when it came time to
> take class trips--all the children were
> <BR>included in sking trips, etc.</BLOCKQUOTE>
> In socialist countries education is free and you get what you pay for.
> The schools here in the United States are essentially socialist up to the
> high school level and the socialization of colleges is well underway. What
> has it brought us?

Did you go to public school, Nateman? I may not be the brightest in
the world, but I learned to read and write and they pointed me in the
direction of the Library. I'm not saying there aren't problems, I
just can't see throwing the baby out with the bath.

Rampant gangs where your children fear for their safety.
> High school grads who cannot read or write. Socialism taught as gospel
> truth.
You pay too much attention to Peter Jennings, et. al. More people
are reading and writing in this country than at the turn of the
century. Inner city schools may have some trouble, but in general, I
think kids are learning. How many people do you know personally who
cannot read or write?

If schools were private with this kind of record do you think they
> would stay in business for long? The public schools however use their very
> failure as an excuse to pour even more money down their festering rat hole!
Rat hole???? Exaggerating a bit, aren't we. I refer you to my
comment above. Why don't you use that brilliant mind of yours to
think of a specific solution to specific problems. Maybe inner-city
schools are past hope, maybe not. If you do nothing, surely it isn't
going to get better. If you turn all these gansters out into othe
street with no way to make a living, what do you suppose they are
going to do?

> It really doesn't take that much to educate a child: Home schoolers here
> in the U.S. fed up with the poor quality of public schools do a pretty
> decent job of educating their young even though they are made to pay the
> taxes for the public schools which they have chosen not to use.

I have known quite a few people who have home schooled. Most of them
did it so they could teach Christian values and debunk Darwin. I
certainly can't don't blame them for that. I would never teach my
children that they crawled out of the primordial slime.

The teachers
> union fearing rightful extinction responds by trying to make home schooling
> illegal! Just another example of the tyranny and failure that will always
> result from socialism.
I agree with you that no one should be FORCED to send their children
to organized schools. I recall a case of a man in Washingston State
(I think) who was shot dead in front of his children by a U.S. Marshall because
he refused a court order to put his kids in schools. I guess they
learned a lesson ok: if you don't do as you are told, your government
will kill you. Government very often gets out of
control and people react violently because they do not have the funds
and resources to successfully launch a defense. Then again, a U.S.
Marshall has to enforce a court order. Terrible tragedy.
> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>&nbsp;He is a very independant, capitalistic
> <BR>ideals man and was a great admirer of Jack London and his
> <BR>works--until I informed him that Jack started the Socialist Party in
> <BR>this country--it almost broke his heart.&nbsp; Hardin
> <BR>&nbsp;</BLOCKQUOTE>
> Never read the fellow. Guess I never will now.The Nateman
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You've NEVER read "White Fang" or "The Call of the Wild" ? That is
unAmerican! ---I'm being to wonder about you, Nateman,-
CHardin
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