> >> Marie wrote:
> >> >I know that this is vague.  One must keep some secrets.
> 
> Sorry, Marie, but science does not keep secrets. Shamanism does, though. 
> You objection to discussing this is rejected.
You are VERY VERY wrong, Wade!  Science may not keep secerts from other
scientists, but almost every bit of behavioral research keeps the /real
nature/ of the experiment hidden from the subjects!  Don't you recognize
the necessity of that in many cases?
-Prof. Tim