> The soul-less, pagan Prof. Tim wrote:
> >Yes, our memes influence who we mate with and therefore which genes are
> >passed down.  And, yes, it is not as obvious a relationship as one would
> >hope.
>
> Pragmatically speaking, if there is a behavior that is elicited on the level
> of "memes influence who we mate with", then the mechanism for this behavior
> would also exist at the level of "which genes are passed down" and even at
> the level of *how genes structure themselves*.
Why?  Why do trends in fashion or preferred body-types have to exist at a
genetic level?  This seems misguided.  This is mixing up your levels,
young man.  It's like saying that since I wrote this sentence that it was
somehow coded into the electrons in my fingertips since the beginning of
time--an asinine claim.  Is that what you're saying, Brett?  Or are you
just talking out of your crown again? 
> For experimental purposes,
> our behavioral effect on genes must reside in the gene itself in the form of
> a "cause" which can be manipulated in such a way as to produce the observed
> effect; and manipulating the dependent variable would also show a
> change--not due to chance (like the "influence" on who we mate)--which can
> then be attributed to "meme" the genetic determinant similar to "meme" the
> social determinant.
What have you read about genetics, Brett?
> ... things which occur intelligently (the works of Shakespeare, for
> example...as written by "Shakespeare"-the-intelligent-being) are more
> likely to occur due to intelligence than given a large number of monkies
> with keyboards
I'm beginning to wonder, what with so many keyboards and so many monkeys
these days. 
-Prof. Tim