Well, then, maybe this is my error and maybe it ain't, because I don't 
think, by my definition, that science has any more of a culture than 
color-vision does, or taste-buds. It is, again to me, an _unbiased_ way 
of using one's observations. And I see 'bias' as 'culture.' 
So, no, I do not want to be any part of, nor spend whatever time you 
think would be necessary, to adopt a cultural bias against using my 
observations. Culture to me is a color added (and not a value-added) to 
the senses. Sometimes it is multivaried and quite attractive, and 
utilizes complex forms, and I can call it art. But often it is pointless 
and anti-observation, and you call it magic and expect me to swallow. 
Nope.
Now, the 'scientific' establishment (whatever that is) can indeed be said 
to have a culture. They have meetings, don't they? (And countless 
biases.) If that is what you are talking about, you are right. If you 
think that 'science' has meetings, I think you are wrong. I do not go to 
them, and while I am not a scientist, I use science. I have tried your 
magic, perhaps not to the degree you feel I should have, but why should I 
stay by the side of the road and smoke the mushrooms, when there's a guy 
on a bicycle around the corner?
If, and here's another sticky wicket, we are actually talking about Art 
here, and we may be..., then I totally see your POV and indeed, agree 
with it.
I don't know, time to move on?
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