And my claim of 'been there, done that' will fall on equally incredulous 
ears, yes?
I don't think reaching a state of relaxation by any means (and I know 
several, including mantra/trance) is in any way an explanation of your 
incredible statement.
What I am asking, besides a general definition of terms from you, is in 
what way there even is a 'non-physical' arena to arrive at 'impressive 
results' about....
In the last 100 years of physical world exploration we have enabled the 
means to gaze upon rocks on Mars.
And the last 3000 years of omphaloskepsis have accomplished, what? Let me 
know....
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         Wade T. Smith
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