RE: virus: "... faith is one of the world's great evils"

anonymous (anon@ou.edu)
Tue, 11 Mar 1997 18:48:44 -0600


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anonymous wrote:=20
When Christianity was first established, its first order of business was =
to prohibit slavery and pederasty.

On Tuesday, March 11, 1997 4:28 PM, owner-virus@maxwell.lucifer.com =
replied:=20
The Catholic church wholly approved of slavery, and campaigned against =
abolitionists in the US. Today they spend thousands of dollars =
defending child-molesting priests and covering up the evidence that it =
is widespread. Need I even mention the Crusades, the Spanish =
Inquisition, the Salem Witch Trials? Ah, but such things could never =
happen today, right? We now have a kind and benevolent pope--who tells =
women they'll go to hell for using birth control. And Protestant clergy =
who burn books and abortion clinics. And Christian Scientists who let =
their children die in pain rather than give then medical treatment.

anonymous responds thus:
You make many good points. I challenge your assertion that, "The =
Catholic church wholly approved of slavery." The Spanish and Portuguese =
colonists imported slaves from the English and the Dutch to avoid the =
Catholic-inspired restrictions on slavery of their mother countries. =
Remember that all of the crusades took place during that time that =
Muslims occupied parts of Christian Europe. While the crusades =
themselves do not appear to a rational observer to be motivated by =
self-defense, a religious person of the middle ages might well have =
believed that absent the military ability to expel the Muslim armies =
from Europe that a crusade against Jerusalem might well have done the =
trick. Irrational though such a belief may be, the crusades were not =
undertaken against innocents nor in the absence of provocation.=20

The Spanish Inquisition as distinct from the Roman inquisition was =
condemned by the church. The King of Spain when asked about the =
inquisition responded that he didn't care for it, but the Spaniards =
wanted it. The Spanish Inquisition was targeted primarily against =
Conversos or Jews who had converted to Christianity who were accused of =
being Judaizers or crypto-Jews.=20

When the Catholic monarchs expelled the Muslim armies from Spain in =
1492, the populace responded with hostility to the Jews. While this =
could well be explained by envy toward the Spanish Jews educational =
achievements and the position of some Jews in the Muslim political =
administration, there arose a rumor at that time that when the Muslims =
first came to Spain the Jews welcomed them by throwing open the gates to =
the Christian cities. No doubt untrue, this rumor is best understood in =
light of the Christian population's resentment of their Muslim rulers =
and an all too human attempt to retaliate against their weaker ally =
however innocent or involuntary that ally may have been.=20

Regarding the Catholic churches position on pedophile priests, all I can =
say is that any prohibition against marriage violates my religious =
beliefs as well as my understanding of human nature and evolution. In =
short, the vow of celibacy is evil. Failure to execute pedophiles is =
evil, and so our secular government which paroles them is equally =
guilty. Remember the man from California who raped the girl and cut her =
arms off and got out within several years. Well, he killed another =
woman, and this time admitted it. He is a testament to the fallacy of a =
criminal justice system that refuses to acknowledge the existence of =
human evil and to the equal prevalence of secularists to avoid facing =
the danger of pedophilia.

Regarding the Salem Witch Trials, how are they different from today's =
witch hunts for child molesting parents, particularly as they are =
evidenced by the assisted communication with autistic children and by =
repressed memory recovery and by new studies showing that both =
imagination and repeated questioning can induce false memories. And this =
latest witch hunt, is it not led by the secularists of the state human =
services bureaucracies?

Regarding Christian Scientists, I agree with you.

Regarding the pope, I was unaware that he said birth control was a =
damnable offense. However, in light of Robert Wright's book: The Moral =
Animal in which he demonstrated that adultery and divorce are more =
common among couples with few or no children and in light of recent =
studies showing the devastating effects of divorce and single parent =
families, maybe the pope has a point.

Regarding Protestant clergy burning books, in so far as the burning of =
books is not indiscriminate, one must ask which books were burned and =
whether they had merit. If you argue that burning Hustler magazine is an =
outrage, then talk to Larry Flynt's daughter whom he molested.

Regarding Protestant clergy burning abortion clinics, are you sure it is =
the clergy doing the burning and not merely isolated and disturbed =
members of their flocks? Remember the black man who sprayed bullets at =
the white commuters in the New York subway and was defended on the =
grounds of black rage? No reasonable person would assume his actions =
were sanctioned by the civil rights movement any more than was the =
defense employed by his attorneys.

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