virus: implicit assumptions

psypher (
Mon, 24 May 1999 10:47:20 -0400 (EDT)

...hey there virians. Given that this here forum is dedicated to
skepticism and the questioning of assumptions, I thought it would be nice if I pointed out a central assumption of this list that keeps annoying me.

...from the CoV homepage

[1]a forum for rational discourse 

[2]a memetically engineered atheistic religion 
[3]a synthesis of religion and evolution 
[4]the best possible conceptual framework for living and thinking 
[5]a neo-cybernetic philosophy for the 21st century 
[6]Darwin's dangerous idea out of control 
[7]an extended phenotype of the Virion Council, I've numbered the points myself. As I see it, points 2, 3, 5,
6, and 7 are descriptive statements which define the nature of our endeavour. Fine, no biggie.

...point [4] though makes this list a ridiculous parody of itself.
[don't get me wrong, I love it, I'm learning tons]. [4] is a subjective statement of value with no basis. We are making a baseless assertion descriptive of the value of our endeavour.

the best possible conceptual framework for living and thinking

-for whom?
-relative to what?
-toward what ends?

...inclusion of this fundamental conflict does some serious damage to
the assertion made in [1]. also encourages participants to indulge in a certain smugness,
by which viewpoints which conflict with the viewpoints of particular virians are limited by the attachment of descriptors followed by the word "meme"
..."that's a theist meme"
..."that's a postmodernist meme"

...which process encourages a closure to the process of discourse and
serves as a glib attempt to rob serious dialogue of meaning.

...isn't ALL ideology memetic? as long as we include point [4] in our
definitional statement, aren't we just slaves to the "meme meme"?

...limiting arument in some spheres makes perfect sense [eg. the
interdiction on christian apologetics] but prima facie dismissal of other viewpoints based on an assumed objectivity with respect to our own framework and a baseless judgement of value makes much less.

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