| 2006-12-10 11:00:51
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| 11:00:51 | Sat | some prrof like that would make the religions of the world go wild. |
| 11:01:06 | Sat | there'd be complete global conflict in no time I'd bet |
| 11:01:08 | Lucifer | * Lucifer nods |
| 11:01:41 | Lucifer | oops, it is past 11 |
| 11:01:55 | Lucifer | Time for the weekly chat |
| 11:02:15 | Lucifer | Thank you all for coming (Sat) |
| 11:02:28 | SecondLife | [tower] Lucifer Darrow waves |
| 11:02:38 | Lucifer | and Lucifer Darrow |
| 11:03:04 | Lucifer | This week's topic is "rational goals" |
| 11:03:21 | Lucifer | It was motivated by recent discussions on the ExI list |
| 11:03:41 | Lucifer | On the nature of rationality, goals, and "rational irrationalism" |
| 11:04:32 | Lucifer | First I'd like to deal with "rational irrationalism" |
| 11:04:56 | Sat | * Sat nods |
| 11:05:10 | Lucifer | Many posters provided examples of actions that appear irrational but are actually rational from the point of view of the actor |
| 11:05:35 | Lucifer | I wouldn't count those as rational irrationalism |
| 11:06:09 | Lucifer | If the action can be justified rationally then it is rational period, despite appearances |
| 11:06:35 | Lucifer | Mine many objection to that whole thread was everyone seemed to fail to distinguish between logical and rational |
| 11:07:40 | Lucifer | Of course you get irrational decisions logically following from irrational assumptions (beliefs and goals) |
| 11:08:04 | Lucifer | By logical I mean that the chain of inferences is valid at every step |
| 11:08:25 | Lucifer | GIGO |
| 11:08:52 | Lucifer | But rational is more than logical, to be rational your assumptions have to be rational |
| 11:09:17 | Lucifer | And for those to be rational they have to be derived by a rational method |
| 11:09:27 | Lucifer | Empiricism for beliefs |
| 11:09:50 | Lucifer | aka skepticism, agnosticism, scientific method, Bayesianism |
| 11:10:31 | Lucifer | but what about goals? |
| 11:11:06 | Sat | * Sat thinks |
| 11:11:14 | goomba | what about them :o |
| 11:11:35 | Lucifer | A particular goal can be rational in terms of beliefs and a higher goal |
| 11:12:43 | goomba | it seems like a goal would only be irrational if it conflicts with other goals |
| 11:12:51 | goomba | of greater importance |
