| 2004-09-07 18:01:22
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| 18:01:22 | Lucifer | time to chat |
| 18:01:29 | ChanServ | Mode change [+o Lucifer] on #virus by ChanServ |
| 18:01:33 | Lucifer | Welcome everyone |
| 18:01:42 | Lucifer | tonight's topic is the foundations of civilization |
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| 18:02:14 | Lucifer | What is the social contract? |
| 18:02:30 | Lucifer | What can we derive from first principles? |
| 18:02:31 | Futura | * Futura flees Lucifer |
| 18:02:37 | Lucifer | Can we even agree on some first principles? |
| 18:02:41 | Lucifer | If not, then what? |
| 18:03:01 | Lucifer | But let's assume for argument's sake that it is possible |
| 18:03:07 | daraknor | A gang is stronger than an individual. Many have a greater chance of survival than one. The pack eats while a lone coyote starves. |
| 18:03:14 | Lucifer | Is there any political theory implicit in the 3 virian virtues? |
| 18:03:36 | localroger | Really the SC is the shit we put up with to prop up society because the shit we would have to put up without society would be even worse. |
| 18:04:21 | Lucifer | perhaps |
| 18:04:26 | daraknor | localroger: doesn't each society make their own decisions, that affect all members? Divergent paths to survival? |
| 18:04:51 | localroger | Yes, the social contract varies from society to society. Though the global hegemony is merging them all into a big unified mass as we watch. |
| 18:05:13 | Lucifer | Say everyone in the chat here was stranded on a deserted island (to use a hackneyed metaphor) |
| 18:05:34 | Lucifer | What rules would we create in order to get along? |
| 18:05:58 | hkhenson | can we assume it has lots of trees and good soil? fish in the waters around it? |
| 18:06:00 | Lucifer | Also assume that we have varying capabilities, physical, intellectual and otherwise |
| 18:06:10 | Lucifer | verying knowledge and skills too |
| 18:06:14 | Lucifer | varying |
| 18:06:18 | hkhenson | enough room for a few thousand people? |
| 18:06:25 | localroger | In a small group like that it's much simpler than in a huge anonymous industrialized nation. We'd form personal alliances based on things like friendship, which evolved for that purpose. |
| 18:06:27 | Mermaid | a class system has to emerge |
| 18:06:42 | Mermaid | dont blame me..i am indian |
| 18:06:47 | hkhenson | amusing |
| 18:06:48 | Lucifer | hkhenson, sure let's start out with that -- no scarce resources |
| 18:06:54 | localroger | I think Henson would agree we evolved to function very well in groups of ~100 with little adult supervision. |
