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2003-10-28 20:00:16 #virus from 2003-10-28 20:00:00 (showing messages 1-30) Bookmark the permanent url.
20:00:16LuciferLet's start off with definitions
20:00:18rhinoheh, i could do that with a capitalist
20:00:26Luciferno doubt
20:00:41LuciferTonight's chat is "socialism vs. capitalism"
20:00:56rhinooh, it is time
20:01:00Lucifer* Lucifer nods
20:01:18rhinoshould we narrow it down to more specific things?
20:01:24LuciferWhat do we mean by the two ideologies, and how are they at odds?
20:01:29rhinosuch as rent or wages?
20:01:55Luciferrent control and minimum wage are certainly the topics that inspired this one
20:02:19rhinohmm... one which should acccepted around here is... to what extent should state get involved

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20:02:37Ophis:-) I like the topic
20:02:49Lucifer* Lucifer welcomes Ophis
20:02:50rhinoi guessed as much
20:02:57rhinohey ophis
20:03:04prometheusHi, Ophis. I knew you could not miss this one.
20:03:15OphisI was afraid it'd be something like this... I've got tons of homework to do but that'll have to wait :-)
20:03:30LuciferFor at least 60 mins
20:04:01OphisIt will... probably for a couple of hours :-)
20:04:11Luciferrhino, I think it would be ideal to come up with some general principles first, then try to apply them to specific problems like rent control and minimum wage
20:04:33rhinobefore we go into the market, should we say anything about property?
20:04:47rhinoIt is a moot question whether the origin of any kind of property is derived from nature at all... It is agreed by those who have seriously considered the subject that no individual has, of natural right, a separate property in an acre of land, for instance. By an universal law, indeed, whatever, whether fixed or movable, belongs to all men equally and in common is the property for the moment of him who occupies it; but when he relinquishes the occupation,
20:04:49OphisIt's the most fundamental principle of capitalism
20:04:49LuciferYes, that is pretty fundamental
20:04:56prometheusPrivate property is the basis of capitalism.
20:05:13rhinowhat do you think of what jefferson said
20:05:24rhinothe last sentence
20:05:37rhinois it correct?
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