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« Reply #15 on: 2004-04-13 09:20:54 »
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« Reply #16 on: 2004-05-11 21:59:06 »
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If Darwin's a saint, shouldn't Wallace be one as well?
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« Reply #17 on: 2004-05-18 16:06:18 »
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If I were to make anyone my personal hero, it would be Baruch Spinoza. He was incredibly futuristic for living in the seventeenth century. Due to his complete and total materialistic determinism , which seemed to be unique on the entire planet at that time, it could be argued that he is the father of the modern age. He was excommunicated by his Marrano Jewish community in Amsterdam and actually withstood this isolation. Human beings consistently choose the world view that has social support. This tendency is so powerful and pervasive that those historic figures who endure complete rejection as outcasts from their own society are the greatest inspirations to me.
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« Reply #18 on: 2004-09-23 02:20:51 »
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« Reply #19 on: 2004-09-25 04:40:20 »
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Quote from: savage13 on 2004-09-23 02:20:51   

i was just wondering if anyone ever thought of nominating carl jung or kurt vonnegut. why not?  im just found the site today so i dont have the full grasp of it all yet. so pardon if they are glaringly wrong candidates.

Vonnegut is not elegible because last I heard he was still alive. Jung is a possible candidate, can you make a good case for illuminating him?
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« Reply #20 on: 2004-09-28 02:40:15 »
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I think Jung is a good idea, but his philosophies are often mixed with mystical/spiritual ideas that might be hard to reconcile with Virian values.

There are many historical figures I admire and would like to recommend for illumination myself.

Some of my top candidates would be...

Albert Einstein
John Stuart Mill
Archimedes
Socrates
Max Planck
Bertrand Russel
Benjamin Franklin...

Etc. Apologies if any of these have already been mentioned- I haven't read through all the posts yet. I'd be happy to provide reasons for each suggestion if/when necessary.

Also, I think it would be a good idea to have some kind of ecclesiastical structure for recognising living people. For example, those such as Daniel Dennet, Richard Dawkins etc. could be considered Virian clerics of some type.

Each could be categorised according to how infectious they are.
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« Reply #21 on: 2004-11-08 03:53:42 »
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I would tentatively like to nominate Isaac Asimov as a Virian saint. He was well educated in the sciences - he earned a B.A and M.A in chemistry and a PhD in biochemistry, and although he did not make any ground breaking dicoveries in these fields this does not mean that he failed to contribute to them. He did have an enormous impact on popular culture through his prolific writing of which his science fiction works are his most famous and in which he addressed many relevant social issues. The only section of the library in which his writing cannot be found is on the philosophy shelves. He was not an advocate of irrational religion (quite he opposite in fact). I find Asimov to be completely representative of what a Virian saint should be (although it is entirely possible that i have got hold of the wrong end of the stick here. If i have please shoot me down in flames).

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