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« on: 2002-01-31 14:21:18 » |
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[Raven 1] Tying in AIM would probably be easy - my Warlocks game now uses AIM to inform players when a game is awaiting their attention. There's a fairly simple Perl module for it, and if you're not using Perl, you could easily reverse-engineer that and put it in another language, because it's all source code.
[Racen 1] ICQ is apparently a pain - recent protocol changes haven't been librarified yet, except by libraries that also incorporate graphical elements and would thus require heavy deconstruction.
[Raven 1] I'm not familiar with the MS or Yahoo message services for such things, but I'd guess Yahoo's to be easiest of all. And I expect IRC would be a piece of cake, being old and thoroughly established with libraries, but harder to tie users to because they have to be on the same network and may not even have their own name at the time, and such.
[Hermit 1] As a lifetime proponent of KISS, my feeling is that the easiest of all would be to run an IRC server on lucifer. The users can then connect via a WebPage embedded JavaClient or using a conventional IRC client. User and Channel names would be protected by using the BBS authentication module for validation, and the whole process is relatively trivial, light-weight (2000 heavy users on a PII 250 and a T1) and well understood technology... Besides, IRC2+ is a very simple protocol - and it is easy to make posts to it under program control.
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« Reply #1 on: 2002-01-31 15:06:52 » |
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Quote from: Hermit on 2002-01-31 14:21:18
[Hermit 1] As a lifetime proponent of KISS, my feeling is that the easiest of all would be to run an IRC server on lucifer. The users can then connect via a WebPage embedded JavaClient or using a conventional IRC client. |
Your wish is my command. Check out http://virus.lucifer.com/jpilot/chat.html.
Currently the user has to enter their own nick. If you like this IRC client I will register it (to get rid of the annoying nag messages), and I will write a PHP script that will automatically use their BBS name for the nick.
Hermit, are you familiar with IRC bots? I assume that is how channels are kept open and nicks are protected permanently. Any help in this areas would be much appreciated.
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« Reply #2 on: 2002-01-31 15:32:48 » |
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Quote from: David Lucifer on 2002-01-31 15:06:52
Quote from: Hermit on 2002-01-31 14:21:18
[Hermit 1] As a lifetime proponent of KISS, my feeling is that the easiest of all would be to run an IRC server on lucifer. The users can then connect via a WebPage embedded JavaClient or using a conventional IRC client. |
Your wish is my command. Check out http://virus.lucifer.com/jpilot/chat.html.
Currently the user has to enter their own nick. If you like this IRC client I will register it (to get rid of the annoying nag messages), and I will write a PHP script that will automatically use their BBS name for the nick.
Hermit, are you familiar with IRC bots? I assume that is how channels are kept open and nicks are protected permanently. Any help in this areas would be much appreciated.
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Re Server
I am very familiar with all aspects of IRC (IETF committee). Adding a services daemon is not at all difficult.
Re Client
Do they want you to pay to register the JavaClient? If so, how much and do you get source? It doesn't look very smart to me...
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« Reply #3 on: 2002-02-01 16:19:52 » |
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After extensive testing the best open source client providing web access I have found seems to be EIRC obtainable from http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=10373
Services "nickserv/chanserv/operserv" should be obtained from http://www.ircservices.za.net/.
The IRC daemon I recommend is the DALnet implementation Bahamat, which can be obtained from http://ircd-devel.dal.net/. DALnet is currently running release 1.4.8.
One of the better sources of help is http://www.ircdhelp.org/
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« Reply #4 on: 2002-02-08 12:52:28 » |
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Quote from: Hermit on 2002-02-01 16:19:52
After extensive testing the best open source client providing web access I have found seems to be EIRC
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Quote:Compiled OK but I can't figure out the magical conf settings to get it to connect to the local server. I get the following error in the log file:
[Feb 07 19:57:47 2002] Services 4.5.27 (compiled for ircd.dal Bahamut) starting up
[Feb 07 19:57:47 2002] Databases loaded
[Feb 07 19:57:47 2002] unknown message from server (ERROR :Closing Link: 0.0.0.0 (No C/N conf lines))
[Feb 07 19:57:47 2002] Read error from server: Success
I added the C/N lines after it complained about not finding them, but now it appears that the C/N conf lines are different? Any help appreciated.
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The IRC daemon I recommend is the DALnet implementation Bahamat, which can be obtained from http://ircd-devel.dal.net/. DALnet is currently running release 1.4.8.
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Up and running (1.4.29).
Quote:Yes, it did help with getting Bahamut running, thanks.
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« Reply #6 on: 2002-02-21 03:55:11 » |
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Well done re the IRC.
Re IRC Thanks for the O line - but notice my message re addresses.
I miss the alternative client scripts you had previously. Choice is good. A toplevel thread on the BBS "Virus Online" (a place to explain IRC and IRC clients - I'm working on some help pages, an Acronym list, and a "best of vIRusC") would be good - as would a weblogger in #virus to track discussions there. (A very trivial log-bot. There are many scripts available for this. I like 'Chump' (as you know, I'm fond of Python). Ask if you need help.)
Apropos of something, a top-level BBS section (including formatting instructions for mail/bbs?) would also be good. I've got my FAQ more or less ready to roll out in a formatted version - (I'm waiting on the ability to make larger posts due to the editing difficulty) along with the hold/release flag, but have mailed you a webberized version that should match these pages - I'll do more later once I see the path to it.
Have you thought a bit more about how to do a CMF/Web? I have a lot of FAQish things on the ethics/politics/saints side which I have been putting on hold for this. A "Best of Virus" section might also belong here - and looking at the quality of some of the Virian poetry perhaps we should include a poetry section. I'd also like a "definitions section"
More on the above, I downloaded Zope 2.5 (Zope.org) today and hope to be playing with it soonish. The available database interfaces have improved a lot. I think I could do things with it. I'm going to transform the Founding Document into that format and see how much I hate it 
Aside from the above - which I would like to see (but then, I'm greedy), I'd say the BBS is pretty much ready to roll out whenever you want to.
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« Reply #7 on: 2002-02-23 21:36:12 » |
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I forgot to mention that I changed the post size limit to 9999 chars. Is that sufficient?
While you look into Zope I will check out PostNuke. I am fond of python, but I've also become fond of PHP since hacking YaBB.
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« Reply #8 on: 2002-03-02 19:31:59 » |
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Ok. Thanks. Yes, it is looking good. I tried to monster posts and both worked well.
I've dropped what is hopefully the last revision of the Formatting FAQ in BBS format into the Suggestions thread without any problem, and will make some changes to the Web page to bring it into alignment.
Did you receive/have a chance to look at the web pages I dropped off in your mail? One of which gives an idea of what I meant when I suggested a "floating menu."
PHP is not so much a language as it is a mark-up methodology (and if you have not loaded the patches to secure it this week, there are some out (this week) which CERT regards as critical.
Python on the other hand is undoubtedly a language, and a rather good one in my opinion. Of course, Python and PHP do play nicely together.
I've been tied up with a business plan exercise and fixing clients who needed help with the SNMP routing updates so I havent looked at the Operserv problem yet. Have you had a chance? If not, can do tomorrow.
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