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Onward Christian Soldiers
« on: 2006-03-18 14:52:56 »
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[Hermit]Some people have attempted to argue that conventional religion tends to improve mankind. I suggest that their arguments clearly fail in the face of data such as that provided by the following survey; which reflects that, just as in Nazi Germany, regular church attendence tends to be associated with the aggressively xenophobic stance adopted by the extreme right wing in the name of "God, Family and Country" - or vice versa.

[Hermit] I say vice versa, because I think that we should be much more careful than the authors of this piece as, so far as I can see, causation is not shown, only correlation. While it may well be the case that the very high number of those having "no religion" rejecting the USA's illegal self-defeating aggression in Iraq as "a mistake" suggests that the ability to reject illusion and delusion is useful for more than just avoiding Christians, it could also be that liberal humanism leads people to reject JudeoChristianity on the grounds of obscenity. Then again, it could just be that those having "no religion" simply possess an appreciation for satire - and the ability to recognize that when a nation claiming to celebrate "liberty" is (with good reason) the most feared on earth, that there "must shurely be shome mishtake".

[Hermit] Despite the above caveats, I suggest that the attempt to clew to the "Virian Virtues" of reason. empathy and vision together with eschewing the "Virian Sins" of hypocrisy, apathy and dogmatism should be more than sufficient guides to avoiding wars of aggression or even "preemption".

Go To Church, Back the War

Source: Washington Times
Authors: Jennifer Harper
Dated: 2006-03-17

Protestants and frequent churchgoers are most supportive of the war in Iraq, according to research released yesterday by Gallup[Hermit: A conservative christian organization].

"In general, the more frequently an American attends church, the less likely he or she is to say the war was a mistake," noted Gallup editor in chief Frank Newport, who analyzed a series of polls that posed the question, "Is the war a mistake?" to 4,000 adults from January 2005 to February 2006.

Overall, 45 percent of Protestants and 47 percent of "other Christians" thought the war was a mistake. The figure was 52 percent among Catholics, 58 percent among other religions and 62 percent among those who had no religion.

Frequency of church attendance also held sway. Overall, among those who never went to church, 62 percent said the war was a mistake. Among those who attended services once a week, the figure was 44 percent.

Support for the conflict has varied among religious groups. Some vigorously opposed unilateral American military strikes against Iraq. The World Council of Churches, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, the Vatican and the Church of England were among those that characterized the conflict as unjust, and urged diplomatic alternatives.

Some church organizations remained neutral, issuing calls for prayer instead; others offered unconditional support to the White House. The Southern Baptist Convention applauded military intervention, noting in 2003, "Our choice is to pay less now and deal with this problem, or we can pay a lot more later."

The Orthodox Union, a Jewish group, said it supported President Bush "100 percent."

The Gallup findings also revealed racial and political divides.

"In general, black Americans are strongly opposed to the war in Iraq and are highly likely to say it was a mistake," Mr. Newport observed.

The survey found the most support among white Christians -- 39 percent of Protestants did not think the conflict was a mistake. The figure was 50 percent among white Catholics, 55 percent among other religions and 60 percent among those with no religion.

A partisan pattern also emerged.

"The more religious the American, in general, the more he or she is to identify with the Republican Party. Frequent churchgoers tend to be Republicans, who in turn can be expected to support the policies of a Republican president," Mr. Newport noted.

Among Protestants, 19 percent of those who were Republicans thought the war was a mistake, compared with 50 percent of independents and 76 percent of Democrats.

Republican churchgoers were the most supportive. Among those who attended services once a week, 16 percent thought the war was a mistake. The figure was 26 percent among Republicans who never attended church.

Among Democrats, 79 percent who attended church weekly said the conflict was a mistake; the figure was 81 percent among those who never attended services.
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