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Extraordinary.

From: http://www.repentamerica.com/pr_hurricanekatrina.html

--Start--

HURRICANE KATRINA DESTROYS NEW ORLEANS
DAYS BEFORE "SOUTHERN DECADENCE" 8/31/05

PHILADELPHIA - Just days before "Southern Decadence", an annual homosexual
celebration attracting tens of thousands of people to the French Quarters
section of New Orleans, Hurricane Katrina destroys the city.

"Southern Decadence" has a history of filling the French Quarters section of
the city with drunken homosexuals engaging in sex acts in the public streets
and bars. Last year, a local pastor sent video footage of sex acts being
performed in front of police to the mayor, city council, and the media. City
officials simply ignored the footage and continued to welcome and praise the
weeklong celebration as being an "exciting event". However, Hurricane
Katrina has put an end to the annual celebration of sin.

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Quote from: Jonathan Davis on 2005-09-03 10:39:10   

Extraordinary.

From: http://www.repentamerica.com/pr_hurricanekatrina.html

This fundamentalist mindset is sickening. To believe that the hand of god is responsible for this disaster is to believe that these people deserved to suffer and die.

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“Let us pray for those ravaged by this disaster. However, we must not forget that the citizens of New Orleans tolerated and welcomed the wickedness in their city for so long.”
- - Repent America founder Michael Marcavage
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« Reply #4 on: 2005-09-03 14:40:32 »
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[Blunderov] I completely agree. A clearly more cogent interpretation of the
divine intent is his disapproval of GW's Iraqi misadventure in general and
GW's posting of the National Guard to Iraq in particular. It's a sign I tell
you, a sign! How much more obvious does the almighty have to make himself?
<shakes head>

That said, my condolences to all Americans and I hope that the recovery from
Katrina is as swift and complete as may be.

Best Regards.


Jake S
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LoL!  It seems they misread the divine intent</snip>


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Quote from: David Lucifer on 2005-09-03 12:01:04   

[David Lucifer] This fundamentalist mindset is sickening. To believe that the hand of god is responsible for this disaster is to believe that these people deserved to suffer and die.


Quote from: Jonathan Davis on 2005-09-03 10:39:10   

Extraordinary.
From: http://www.repentamerica.com/pr_hurricanekatrina.html
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[Hermit] Belief is always pernicious.  Try "Weyken"  instead.

There are other arguments (ad ridiculam if not nauseam) to those put forward here, that might be made in order to expose the buried assumptions in this spewage. Perhaps it can be best illustrated by a simple parable.

The goddess-monsters not only enjoy the sex act (with anything - animate, inanimate, living or dead), they also enjoy watching monkeys interact in every possible way. Unfortunately, the goddess-monsters share the unevolved ethics and prurient and scatalogical interest in the sexual habits of the third ape with the likely inventors of other primitive gods, i.e. primitive men. (Although, the goddess-monsters assure me that in their strictly private capacity, they draw the line at the child rape central to the supposed "virgin birth" and also abhor the presumed scapegoat family murder of the son of the god advocated by Christians). Thus it was that with Katrina, the goddess-monsters were collectively punishing the Southern USA for its idiotic hatred of any sex act bar the unnatural face-to-face sex position adopted by the third chimp in order to avoid carpet burns, bashing of gays,  demonization of camel-fuckers and their involvement in the crude election rigging which ultimately resulted in the illegal war currently being waged by the neocon lunatics of the religious right (and obsessing their stooges with all the above).

The above parable explains why the lower states, seemly still engaqed to a greater extent in gay (and racist) hatred than most other places also appears to suffer more from "god's wrath" in the form of tornadoes despite still being called the "babble beltTM" - but only if you accept:
  • The concept of "collective punishment" - as many Americans appear to do (so long as it isn't Americans being "punished"), despite it having been known to be ethically unsupportable - and illegal - since at least the early 1900s. Perhaps the religious wrong accept this idea because it features as a corner stone in their brutally primitive religious works about their worse "gods" - like the JudeoChristianIslamic monster.
  • The concept of an alien being ("god") who wants to punish a group of people for being in the wrong place - where the wrong place is defined in terms of geographic proximity of a place where other people might - in the future -  fall in love or even just have sex with the "wrong" parties at the wrong time.
  • The idea that this all forgiving alien ("god") will extract permanent retribution (death) for a momentary pleasure that it disagrees with.
  • The concept of an everlasting, almighty, all powerful, all knowing creatures ("gods") who knowing everything about the Universe are still deeply concerned about the sex lives of one set of not-terribly-clever monkeys. This needs context. Bear in mind that this/these god/s is/are supposed to have created not only man, but also two other sets of apes, who exhibit similar behaviours to us, e.g. tribalism, murder, empathy, drunkeness, self-sacrifice, cannibalism, generosity, theft, sharing, unfairness - chimps; love, rape, multipartner sex, heterosexuality, homosexuality, bisexuality, incest, bestiality - bonobos. Nevertheless, the same god/s apparently give not a fig about their behaviours. Given that we know that until very recently, we shared our all our DNA with our cousins, and we still share most of it with them, none of this should come as a surprise - except why we are being picked on by these gods.
  • Collective punishment for what might be going to happen in the future is too bizarre a concept to deal with in a parable that doesn't involve purple dinosaurs and melatonin challenged giraffes wearing top-hats. Which would take much to long to write about while still trying to make sense.

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> [Blunderov] I completely agree.

Superb article over at Belmont Club about moral retribution from god and the
similarity in logical terms between Falwell/Robertson/Repent America
position and the "chickens home to roost" hypothesis that the 911 victims
deserved to die for the "sins" of US policy.

http://fallbackbelmont.blogspot.com/2005/09/kingdom-by-sea.html

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« Reply #7 on: 2005-09-05 15:40:08 »
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[Blunderov] Jonathan's blog, Limbic Nutrition, has just one of many
refutations of Bush the Liar's latest disassembly:

"I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees." -President
Bush, on "Good Morning America," Sept. 1, 2005, six days after repeated
warnings from experts about the scope of damage expected from Hurricane
Katrina

"National Geographic prediction of New Orleans devastation (from 2004)
Astounding National Geographic Magazine article predicting the disaster in
New Orleans.

It was a broiling August afternoon in New Orleans, Louisiana, the Big Easy,
the City That Care Forgot. Those who ventured outside moved as if they were
swimming in tupelo honey. Those inside paid silent homage to the man who
invented air-conditioning as they watched TV "storm teams" warn of a
hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico. Nothing surprising there: Hurricanes in
August are as much a part of life in this town as hangovers on Ash
Wednesday.

But the next day the storm gathered steam and drew a bead on the city. As
the whirling maelstrom approached the coast, more than a million people
evacuated to higher ground. Some 200,000 remained, however-the car-less, the
homeless, the aged and infirm, and those die-hard New Orleanians who look
for any excuse to throw a party.

The storm hit Breton Sound with the fury of a nuclear warhead, pushing a
deadly storm surge into Lake Pontchartrain. The water crept to the top of
the massive berm that holds back the lake and then spilled over. Nearly 80
percent of New Orleans lies below sea level-more than eight feet below in
places-so the water poured in. A liquid brown wall washed over the brick
ranch homes of Gentilly, over the clapboard houses of the Ninth Ward, over
the white-columned porches of the Garden District, until it raced through
the bars and strip joints on Bourbon Street like the pale rider of the
Apocalypse. As it reached 25 feet (eight meters) over parts of the city,
people climbed onto roofs to escape it.

Thousands drowned in the murky brew that was soon contaminated by sewage and
industrial waste. Thousands more who survived the flood later perished from
dehydration and disease as they waited to be rescued. It took two months to
pump the city dry, and by then the Big Easy was buried under a blanket of
putrid sediment, a million people were homeless, and 50,000 were dead. It
was the worst natural disaster in the history of the United States.

When did this calamity happen? It hasn't-yet. But the doomsday scenario is
not far-fetched. The Federal Emergency Management Agency lists a hurricane
strike on New Orleans as one of the most dire threats to the nation, up
there with a large earthquake in California or a terrorist attack on New
York City. Even the Red Cross no longer opens hurricane shelters in the
city, claiming the risk to its workers is too great.
Now it has happened. That was written in October 2004."

[Bl] The disaster has, in fact, repeatedly been predicted. ie:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050902/ts_nm/weather_katrina_criticism_dc

http://www.sciamdigital.com/browse.cfm?ITEMIDCHAR=D58B96E1-60BC-4C0F-BCE2-8C
9B8A05275&methodnameCHAR=&interfacenameCHAR=browse.cfm&sequencenameCHAR=item
P

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9175204/

http://www.physorg.com/news6164.html


[Bl.] Perhaps 'anticipated' has an arcane meaning in a secret Bush
dictionary amounting to something like 'not told to me by God personally'?
How long will America continue to allow it's intelligence to be insulted by
this ambulant sphincter?

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« Reply #8 on: 2005-09-06 11:45:49 »
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....but then consider: suicide is a sin which will exclude you from heaven,
including passive attempts to kill oneself.

...and at the same time, death ideally leads one to the pearly gates where
all is eternal bliss and perfection and euphoric happiness and joy in the
shadow of the creator himself.

...so put these two concepts together and any N.O. death can be seen as a
loving reward and a free trip to heaven on the early shuttle!!  how much
better can it get??


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> [Blunderov] I completely agree.

Superb article over at Belmont Club about moral retribution from god and the
similarity in logical terms between Falwell/Robertson/Repent America
position and the "chickens home to roost" hypothesis that the 911 victims
deserved to die for the "sins" of US policy.

http://fallbackbelmont.blogspot.com/2005/09/kingdom-by-sea.html

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[Blunderov] A survey of the suspects.
Best regards.

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Who's to Blame?
Hurricanes Don't Just Happen
BY DAN SAVAGE AND BRADLEY STEINBACHER

When a natural disaster strikes, the American Taliban swings into action.
Before the hungry are fed, before the homeless are housed, before the sick
are made well, chubby little fingers must be pointed. Disasters of biblical
proportions don't just happen. From Noah's Flood to the destruction of Sodom
and Gomorrah to Hurricane Katrina, natural disasters are God's way of
expressing his displeasure with his wayward creation.

But who, exactly, is God displeased with now? Who is to blame for Katrina?
This is a survey of likely suspects.

THE GAYS

The first bodies hadn't even bobbed to the surface before a conservative
Christian organization, Repent America, pointed a finger at gays and
lesbians. While the states that took the direct hit from Katrina-Alabama and
Mississippi-aren't exactly known as gay meccas, the city of New Orleans does
have a large gay community. Even worse, the city was about to play host to
"Southern Decadence," the gay answer to a decidedly decadent heterosexual
shindig called "Mardi Gras."

Southern Decadence "has a history of filling the French Quarters section of
the city with drunken homosexuals engaging in sex acts in the public streets
and bars," the group stated in a press release. "The citizens of New Orleans
tolerated and welcomed the wickedness in their city for so long. May this
act of God cause us all to think about what we tolerate in our city limits,
and bring us trembling before the throne of Almighty God."

ABORTION

Columbia Christians for Life (CCFL) blamed abortion. Satellite photos taken
of Hurricane Katrina just as it struck the Gulf Coast provided the proof:
"The image of the hurricane," the CCFL wrote in an e-mail, "with its eye
already ashore at 12:32 p.m. Monday, August 29, looks like a fetus.
Louisiana has 10 child-murder-by-abortion centers; five are in New Orleans."
Other states may have more abortion clinics, but God is a notoriously bad
shot. When the December 26 tsunami killed hundreds of thousands of Buddhists
and Muslims in Thailand and Indonesia, conservative Christians claimed God
was upset with. Massachusetts for legalizing gay marriage.

ALLAH

Muhammad Yousef Al-Mlaifi, director of the Kuwaiti Ministry of Endowment's
research center, blamed Allah. In an article entitled "The Terrorist Katrina
Is One of the Soldiers of Allah," Yousef Al-Mlaifi first thanks America for
making Iraq "the most tranquil and secure country in the world." He then
writes, "How sad I am for America. Here it is, poor thing, trying with all
its might to lower oil prices [and then along comes] this storm, the fruit
of Allah's planning, so that a barrel of oil will increase further still."
The Kuwaiti closes with a quote from the Koran: "The disaster will keep
striking the unbelievers for what they have done."

Muhammad Yousef Al-Mlaifi would be moldering in a mass grave with the rest
of Kuwaiti's government officials if the U.S. hadn't driven Saddam Hussein's
armies out of Kuwait in the first Gulf War in 1991.

ANNE RICE

One can only celebrate, and profit from, the "dark arts" for so long before
one brings God's wrath down upon one's head. Anne Rice, who hasn't written a
single decent book during her interminably long career, may have brought
Katrina's epic destruction to the city she has celebrated in her novels
about vampires, witches, mummies, and more vampires. Paganism,
homosexuality, the "goth" way of life-these dissolute lifestyles have been
promoted and glamorized in Rice's fiction, inspiring scores of dweebish
teens to turn away from more wholesome pursuits. Frankly, we're surprised
God didn't level the city after Violin was published.

THE NEW ORLEANS SAINTS

The thought of a professional sports franchise being the cause of a
horrendous natural disaster sounds far-fetched, but consider these unholy
facts: The New Orleans Saints have won just ONE playoff game in their 39
years of existence. That's a lot of failure for any team-especially one
named after God's elect human servants. And surely we can see the unseen
hand of the divine in the destruction of the Saints' home, the Superdome,
which turned into a domed cesspool of urine, feces, and rotting corpses-this
after having already been rendered unusable for the coming NFL season by the
hurricane itself.

THE SIMPSONS

How did New Orleans, a den of sin and vice for 300 long years, manage to
escape God's wrath for so long? It's possible that God, with so much on his
hands, was unaware of Mardi Gras, Southern Decadence, Girls Gone Wild, and
foot-long margaritas until relatively recently. What brought New Orleans's
sinful status to the attention of our vengeful God ? Could it have been an
episode of the long-running animated hit The Simpsons?

In the episode "A Streetcar Named Marge," the citizens of Springfield
perform a musical version of Tennessee Williams's A Streetcar Named Desire.
The show opens with the cast performing in front of the Superdome, singing
the opening number, "New Orleans!"


Long before the Superdome,
Where the Saints of football play,
Lived a city that the damned called home,
Hear their hellish roundelay.

New Orleeeans.
Home of pirates, drunks, and whores!
New Orleeeans.
Tacky, overpriced, souvenir stores!
If you want to go to Hell, you should make that trip
To the Sodom and Gomorrah on the Mississipp'!

New Orleeeans.
Stinking, rotten, vomiting, vile!
New Orleaaans.
Putrid, brackish, maggoty, foul!
New Orleeeans.
Crummy, lousy, rancid, and rank!

New Orleeeans!

Perhaps broadcast television signals, which travel through space at near the
speed of light, eventually reached the far corners of the universe, coming
to the attention of our Creator. Only then did He begin to investigate New
Orleans. He watched several Girls Gone Wild DVDs and Googled "Southern
Decadence." And, verily, He discovered it to be Hellish. Behold! The city
was home to pirates, drunks, and whores! And He was displeased, and He sent
the hurricane to obliterate New Orleans and, er, dozens of small towns up
and down the Gulf Coast that never did anyone any harm. Thanks to our loving
Father, New Orleans is now as putrid, brackish, maggoty, and foul a place as
any on earth.

NATURAL CAUSES

Or maybe, just maybe, Katrina's overwhelming destruction can be blamed on a
tropical disturbance-in the form of low atmospheric pressure resting over
the tropical areas of the Atlantic Ocean-finding fuel in the warmth of
late-summer months, leading to thunderstorms that, when infused with winds
of up to 40 miles per hour, turned the relatively minor disturbance into a
tropical storm, which in turn grew in intensity as it pulled warm and humid
air from the lower atmosphere (while at the same time discarding cooler,
calmer air into the upper atmosphere), thereby creating, for all intents and
purposes, a self-sufficient engine, one that could emit as much energy, on
average, as the U.S. can produce in an entire year, and which could develop,
as pressure dropped within the storm's core, winds up to 74 miles an hour,
at which point the relatively minor tropical disturbance became classifiable
as a hurricane, a godforsaken storm capable of winds over 100 miles an hour,
and something easily identified and tracked days before it arrives onshore,
yet still capable of leveling an entire city caught unprepared thanks to the
bungled efforts of both local and federal governments, the latter of which
is being led by a barely functioning retard whose incompetence and
corruption-from unforgivable tax cuts to unnecessary and thoroughly bungled
wars to diverting much-needed funds away from levee maintenance to lying
about America's preparations and readiness to handle large-scale
calamities-has led to a complete failure of national preparedness, a failure
only exacerbated by America's rarely talked about class system, as well as
the painful heartlessness of the country's leaders, who squandered much time
posing in photo ops playing guitars and eating cake, as well as attending
Broadway musicals and shopping for $1,000 shoes, to offer any real support,
guidance, leadership, and even sorrow for the fact that one of the country's
most unique and popular cities has now been completely wiped off the map.

Maybe that was it.

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Source: Bushwatch

Documented Timeline Provides Evidence Of Bush Blame Game Lies

<snip>

[Hermit] The final entry in the timeline and before the commentary relates to just two of the lies doing the rounds in the usual places.

Saturday, September 3

SENIOR BUSH ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL LIES TO WASHINGTON POST, CLAIMS GOV. BLANCO NEVER DECLARED STATE OF EMERGENCY: The Post reported in their Sunday edition “As of Saturday, Blanco still had not declared a state of emergency, the senior Bush official said.” They were forced to issue a correction hours later. [ Washington Post, 9/4/05 ]

9AM — BUSH BLAMES STATE AND LOCAL OFFICIALS: “[T]he magnitude of responding to a crisis over a disaster area that is larger than the size of Great Britain has created tremendous problems that have strained state and local capabilities. The result is that many of our citizens simply are not getting the help they need.” [ White House, 9/3/05 ]

[Hermit] The purpose of the ongoing farrago of lies, as anyone with an IQ above room temperature should be able to determine, is to ensure acceptance of the worldview expressed below (and also quoted recently in reference to FEMA on BushWatch).

The function of propaganda does not lie in the scientific training of the individual, but in calling the masses' attention to certain facts, processes, necessities, etc., whose significance is thus for the first time placed within their field of vision. The whole art consists in doing this so skillfully that everyone will be convinced that the fact is real, the process necessary, the necessity correct, etc. But since propaganda is not and cannot be the necessity in itself, since its function, like the poster, consists in attracting the attention of the crowd, and not in educating those who are already educated or who are striving after education and knowledge, its effect for the most part must be aimed at the emotions and only to a very limited degree at the so-called intellect.

All propaganda must be popular and its intellectual level must be adjusted to the most limited intelligence among those it is addressed to. Consequently, the greater the mass it is intended to reach, the lower its purely intellectual level will have to be. But if, as in propaganda for sticking out a war, the aim is to influence a whole people, we must avoid excessive intellectual demands on our public, and too much caution cannot be exerted in this direction. The more modest its intellectual ballast, the more exclusively it takes into consideration the emotions of the masses, the more effective it will be. And this is the best proof of the soundness or unsoundness of a propaganda campaign, and not success in pleasing a few scholars or young aesthetes. The art of propaganda lies in understanding the emotional ideas of the great masses and finding, through a psychologically correct form, the way to the attention and thence to the heart of the broad masses. The fact that our bright boys do not understand this merely shows how mentally lazy and conceited they are.

Once we understand how necessary it is for propaganda to be adjusted to the broad mass, the following rule results: It is a mistake to make propaganda many-sided, like scientific instruction, for instance. The receptivity of the great masses is very limited, their intelligence is small, but their power of forgetting is enormous. In consequence of these facts, all effective propaganda must be limited to a very few points and must harp on these in sloans until the last member of the public understands what you want him to understand by your slogan. As soon as you sacrifice this slogan and try to be many-sided, the effect will piddle away, for the crowd can neither digest nor retain the material offered. In this way the result is weakened and in the end entirely cancelled out. Thus we see that propaganda must follow a simple line and correspondingly the basic tactics must be psychologically sound.
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