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RE: virus: The game's afoot
« Reply #45 on: 2005-11-08 09:30:44 »
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RE: virus: Re:The game's afoot
« Reply #46 on: 2005-11-20 03:30:24 »
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[Blunderov] Amazingly, this whole affair is becoming even more interesting
than it was before.

Bob Woodward, of Watergate legend, has testified before Fitzgerald that
Plame's name was revealed to him by an official sometime before Wilson's
famous article was published. This has set the cat well and truly amongst
the pigeons.

The Right has rejoiced, claiming that this upsets Fitgerald's entire premise
vis a vis Rove et al.

Not so claims the left. It may be that the war between the WHIG and the CIA
was already well underway at that time.
<snip>
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/4939

"Did Plame out WH plans for finding WMD in Iraq?
Submitted by davidswanson on Sat, 2005-11-19 17:21. Media
By Hornet, http://houseoflabor.tpmcafe.com

Did the White House plan to 'find' WMD in Iraq until Brewster-Jennings
intercepted their shipment? Was that why Plame was in their crosshairs long
before Wilson's editorial?

Buried in a TPM Nov 18 blog about what the WH was really thinking when it
invaded Iraq, Joshua Micah Marshall writes "This even leads to a sort of
inverted conspiracy theorizing when people ask, 'If he knew there was no
WMD, why didn't they at least try to plant some to avoid the catastrophic
embarrassment which ensued after the war....The real answer, I think, is as
banal as it is devastating: I don't think they ever gave it much thought --
not in the sense of trying to get to the heart of the matter."

This WH may be diabolical, but it's not stupid. Apparently, they gave it a
lot of thought if the following is true. As Wayne Madsen reports (Nov 11):

"According to U.S. intelligence sources, the White House exposure of Valerie
Plame and her Brewster Jennings & Associates was intended to retaliate
against the CIA's work in limiting the proliferation of weapons of mass
destruction. WMR has reported in the past on this aspect of the scandal. In
addition to identifying the involvement of individuals in the White House
who were close to key players in nuclear proliferation, the CIA
Counter-Proliferation Division prevented the shipment of binary VX nerve gas
from Turkey into Iraq in November 2002. The Brewster Jennings network in
Turkey was able to intercept this shipment which was intended to be hidden
in Iraq and later used as evidence that Saddam Hussein was in possession of
weapons of mass destruction. U.S. intelligence sources revealed that this
was a major reason the Bush White House targeted Plame and her network."
</snip>

[Bl.] Meanwhile back at the ranch, if the right believes that Fitzgerald's
case has collapsed, he himself is apparently not aware of it. Whether
Fitzgerald's new convening of a Grand Jury is directly related to Woodward's
recent testimony or not, nobody is saying. Whatever the case may be, new
charges do seem immanent.

<snip>
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/367170p-312493c.html

New grand jury eying CIA leak
By THOMAS M. DeFRANK
and JAMES GORDON MEEK
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU

WASHINGTON - A new grand jury is hearing evidence in the CIA leak probe,
which has already resulted in Vice President Cheney's top aide facing
perjury and other federal charges, the Daily News has learned.
Special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald announced yesterday in court papers that
"the investigation is continuing" into who blew the cover of CIA spy Valerie
Plame. </snip>

[Bl.] It's the gift that just keeps on giving. Perhaps "Douglas Feith,
Judith Miller and the American Israel Public Affairs Committee" is a chapter
we can look forward to in the near future?

Yours Agog. 
 
   


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RE: virus: The game's afoot
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[Blunderov] "What one man can invent, another can discover." (Sherlock
Holmes: 'The Adventure of the Dancing Men'.)

Red hot:
http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_20194.shtml

"Plamegate's Soft Underbelly
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RE: virus: The game's afoot
« Reply #49 on: 2005-12-12 07:39:33 »
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[Joe Dees/Salamantis] It's red, all right; but i would characterize it as red in the face with visceral animus.  The site should be renamed Axis of Anti-Bush Ad Hominem.

Hermit] Interestingly Joe Dees/Salamantis demonstrates (again) his ignorance of language and debate by asserting "Ad Hominem" outside of a debate. "Ad hominem" or more properly, "argumentum ad hominem" simply means an "argument against the person" which, unless relevant (which can happen, e.g. when the debater against whom it is applied invalidly claims special or expert status), is a "debating fallacy", i.e. is not useful in advancing or refuting an argument. Nevertheless, if we assume that "to the person" is relevant in any way in everyday life, what should we say to one who defends genocide by the Turks, the Nazis, Stalin or the Kyhmer Rouge? Would it be "ad hominem" to say that they are desirable examples to emulate? Or would it be "ad hominem" to say that they are vile?

[Hermit] Weykening that Bush and his fuckwitted supporters are the most horrible post-reformation examples of belief run amok (The shrub apparently believes that God told him to invade Iraq), the corruption of power to its logical extreme (currently the US appears to fear no retribution, apparently imagining that it will always be able to buy or bomb itself out of trouble), the power of demagoguery (exemplified by fux TV) and the overwhelming success of propaganda on the brain-fried to the extent that some of them (e.g. Joe Dees) continue to propagate government propaganda long after even its originators have given up advocating it due to the lies being too blatant (e.g. Weapons of Mass Delusion), should we call these wonders desirable examples to emulate? Or should we call them vile?

[Hermit] When we need to answer, "but how could people let this happen" asked of any nation, we need look no further than those revolting people who not only corrupted the process in order to establish TheFumingShrubTM in office, but supported his insane campaigns against stability, progress and the environment. The reaction of the Soviets, Germans and Cambodians to Stalin, Hitler and Pol Pot should no longer be inexplicable to us. We have the same phenomena writ large in America today. Like any playground bully, quivering in fear internally, lashing out at those around in the hope that projected brutality will stop people from suspecting the truth. What a tragic end for a grand experiment. Is it a wonder that the number one leader in oppression, at home and abroad, should inspire "visceral animus" in those sensible enough to see the end of the republic at the hands of knaves and fools as an end not to be desired.

[Hermit] In a nation where over 2 million of her people are incarcerated; where the top 5% of the country own 59% of its wealth (and the top 10% own 71%); in a nation where she leads the industrial nations in STDs and teen pregnancy; in a nation with more people are without any meaningful form of healthcare than in any other industrialized nation in the world; in a nation which leads the world in energy use, in waste, in armament expenditure and in CO2 production per capita; in a nation which trails the world in international aid or even social aid in proportion to GDP; in a nation which asserts that she is freedom loving, yet hires East Germans, notorious for oppression, to run her internal security apparatus; in a nation that seemingly has no compunction about twisting honor, law and truth and in perverting institutions which she established in an happier hour to ensure peace between nations, to use its chambers to putatively justify illegal attacks against others; in a nation which passes laws requiring attacks on others were her citizens to be taken before a recognized International Court, but which performs invasions, kidnapping and torture of the citizens of other nations in secret places at will and without oversight herself; in a nation with the temerity to attempt to defend the "necessity" to torture when a few of her own citizens object; in a nation which consistently defends genocide on the part of Israel, her "friend" and engages in it herself in Iraq; when such a nation considers herself to be good and an example to nations, this is not sick. This is demented or this is evil or this is both*. There are no other options, trifurcation be damned.

[Hermit] Should those who create such a vile, perverted beast not be hated? After all, when the world seeks an example of the worst class of leadership and most brutal trampling of law, sense and people extant, they need no longer reach back further than President George W Bush, his cronies and their supporters. In such a case as this, "ad hominem" is a virtue and staying silent is to renounce ones humanity through "loving the vile", just as effectively as calling any other genocidal fuckwits "desirable examples to emulate" would be. Given the minuscule support which the Bushites enjoy, perhaps Planet Earth should be renamed "Planet of Anti-Bush Ad Hominem" a label to be worn proudly in an effort to disassociate the planet from this macabre and disgusting spectacle. The deliberate and vituperative demolition of these once United States of America.

Hermit

*The funny thing is, I think, the people doing this know it too. Perhaps this why they are so extremely aggressive and voluminous right now. It's just razzle dazzle and flim flam to try to keep you from seeing that they are frightened shitless that somebody will see them for the evil stupid greedy bullying bastards** they are. As Richard Geere sang in "Chicago":

(Singing)
Give 'em the old razzle dazzle
Razzle Dazzle 'em
Give 'em an act with lots of flash in it
And the reaction will be passionate
Give 'em the old hocus pocus
Bead and feather 'em
How can they see with sequins in their eyes?

What if your hinges all are rusting?
What if, in fact, you're just disgusting?

Razzle dazzle 'em
And they;ll never catch wise!

Give 'em the old Razzle Dazzle

BILLY AND COMPANY
Razzle dazzle 'em
Give 'em a show that's so splendiferous

BILLY
Row after row will crow vociferous

BILLY AND COMPANY
Give 'em the old flim flam flummox
Fool and fracture 'em

BILLY
How can they hear the truth above the roar?

BILLY AND COMPANY
Throw 'em a fake and a finagle
They'll never know you're just a bagel,

BILLY
Razzle dazzle 'em
And they'll beg you for more!

BILLY AND COMPANY
Give 'em the old double whammy
Daze and dizzy 'em
Back since the days of old Methuselah
Everyone loves the big bambooz-a-ler

Give 'em the old three ring circus
Stun and stagger 'em
When you're in trouble, go into your dance

Though you are stiffer than a girder
They'll let you get away with murder
Razzle dazzle 'em
And you've got a romance

COMPANY(The same time as BILLY's)
Give 'em the old
Razzle Dazzle

BILLY
Give 'em the old Razzle Dazzle
Razzle dazzle 'em
Show 'em the first rate sorcerer you are
Long as you keep 'em way off balance
How can they spot you've got no talent
Razzle Dazzle 'em

BILLY AND COMPANY
Razzle Dazzle 'em
Razzle Dazzle 'em

And they'll make you a star!

**apologies to bastards everywhere.
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