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RE: virus: Re:The game's afoot
« Reply #15 on: 2005-10-08 18:43:58 »
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Thanks for keeping us up to date on this issue, Blunderov.  Regardless of
whether Rove ultimately gets nabbed for this, people need to understand
what kind of damage he has caused us all.  Regardless of the justness and
efficiency of current military activities (all poor IMO) in regards to the
"war on terror", I think at the end of the day any reasonable human
understands that winning against terror is most crucially decided on
intelligence.  Of course technology and other resources certainly have
their place, but in terms of the special demands of terrorism they are
really almost negligible for long term considerations when placed next to
intelligence resources.  Think of it this way, the United States has
problems as fundamental and simple as having reliable interpreters on any
level in the Muslim/Arab/Persian level either at home or abroad.  Sure they
are out there, but if they have any working neurons there is a high chance
that their loyalties remain as divided as you could expect from anybody who
understands their own self interest in this tricky game.  Add to that the
fact, that whether or not Rove et al actually ever pay for their treason,
none of these self interested agents are ever going to reasonable count on
the US to protect their own, and when they don't protect their own, they
certainly don't protect aliens relying on those US operatives to protect
them from their own bloody nations.  When intelligence operatives are
publicly outed like this by their own masters, why would any sane defectors
from their own countries EVER consider doing business with them in the
future?  Short of a revolution, how can a nation ever recover the
credibility necessary to win a war of intelligence?  Whatever happens to
Rove et all certainly interests me, but for practical purposes are mere
afterthoughts of disaster.

-Jake


> [Original Message]
> From: Blunderov <squooker@mweb.co.za>
> To: <virus@lucifer.com>
> Date: 10/8/2005 4:08:18 PM
> Subject: RE: virus: Re:The game's afoot
>
> [Blunderov] Speculation is running at fever pitch about what the
> volunteering by Rove of additional testimony to the federal grand jury
might
> mean. This is considered by some experts to be a risky move.
>
> Attention is also converging on the Espionage Act which has amongst its
> provisions that:
>
> "(d) Whoever, lawfully having possession of, access to, control over, or
> being entrusted with any document, writing, code book, signal book,
sketch,
> photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model,
instrument,
> appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information
relating
> to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to
> believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the
advantage
> of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or
causes
> to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted or attempts to communicate,
> deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered or transmitted
the
> same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the
same
> and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United
> States entitled to receive it; or"...
>
> [Bl.](my personal favorite)
>
> "(g) If two or more persons conspire to violate any of the foregoing
> provisions of this section, and one or more of such persons do any act to
> effect the object of the conspiracy, each of the parties to such
conspiracy
> shall be subject to the punishment provided for the offense which is the
> object of such conspiracy."
>
> [Bl.] It seems telling to me that, in spite of the recent roosting of many
> nasty chickens, the Whitehouse appears to really have had eyes only for
this
> one.
>
> Best Regards.
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RE: virus: The game's afoot
« Reply #16 on: 2005-10-09 17:52:34 »
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[Blunderov] You are very welcome Jake, and thanks for your thanks. The time seems appropriate though, to offer a sort of apology and explanation to you all.

I have not yet really come to grips with why it is that I am so fascinated with American politics and so disinterested in my 'own' local politics. The rationalisation that American politics is important to the whole world is, I know in my heart, specious. Yet there it is. I am fascinated. (The loss of New Orleans was a blow to me; NO and New York are places in that I really would like to see.)

I'm working on the theory that local politics is not congenial to me for reasons which have to do with both my early imprinting (racist influences) and my so far incomplete attempts to deconstruct them. It is not impossible that my reluctance to participate in my 'own' politics is a sort of secret racism. I'm working on it.

In short, it's a lot easier judge matters at a distance than to actually do righteous stuff oneself.

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« Reply #17 on: 2005-10-20 03:39:56 »
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[Blunderov] I know I swore off declaiming about American politics, but
recent developments are assuming proportions which may come close to
rivaling 9/11 in terms of political impact.

The realization is beginning to dawn that the whole fracas was much more
about an attempt by the WHIG to discredit, not Wilson, but the CIA itself.
It seems to me that very little was to be gained by attempting to discredit
Wilson by outing his wife. On the other hand there was much to gain by
painting the CIA as an incestuous liberal hotbed intrinsically disinclined
towards proper red-blooded American pursuits.

Bush made a very big mistake when he alienated the CIA in my view. Consider;
Fitzgerald seems consistently to have been in possession of far more
information than even those intimately connected with the affair have
expected him to be, and some very adroit professional weasels have been
caught with their pants down. Apparently Fitzgerald is very, very good.
Seemingly he is also very 'lucky'.

Best Regards.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/../../jim-moore/the-most-impor
tant-crimin_b_9183.html

The Most Important Criminal Case in History
James Moore.
                   
If special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald delivers indictments of a few
functionaries of the vice president's office or the White House, we are
likely to have on our hands a constitutional crisis. The evidence of
widespread wrongdoing and conspiracy is before every American with a cheap
laptop and a cable television subscription. And we do not have the same
powers of subpoena granted to Fitzgerald. We know, however, based upon what
we have read and seen and heard that someone created fake documents related
to Niger and Iraq and used them as a false pretense to launch America into
an invasion of Iraq. And when a former diplomat made an honest effort to
find out the facts, a plan was hatched to both discredit and punish him by
revealing the identity of his undercover CIA agent wife.

Patrick Fitzgerald has before him the most important criminal case in
American history. Watergate, by comparison, was a random burglary in an age
of innocence. The investigator's prosecutorial authority in this present
case is not constrained by any regulation. If he finds a thread connecting
the leak to something greater, Fitzgerald has the legal power to follow it
to the web in search of the spider. It seems unlikely, then, that he would
simply go after the leakers and the people who sought to cover up the leak
when it was merely a secondary consequence of the much greater crime of
forging evidence to foment war. Fitzgerald did not earn his reputation as an
Irish alligator by going after the little guy. Presumably, he is trying to
find evidence that Karl Rove launched a covert operation to create the
forged documents and then conspired to out Valerie Plame when he learned the
fraud was being uncovered by Plame's husband, Ambassador Joseph Wilson. As
much as this sounds like the plot of a John le Carre novel, it also comports
with the profile of the Karl Rove I have known, watched, traveled with and
written about for the past 25 years.

We may stand witness to a definitive American moment of democracy. The son
of a New York doorman probably has in his hands, in many ways, the fate of
the republic. Because far too many of us know and are aware of the crimes
committed by our government in our name, we are unlikely to settle for a
handful of minor indictments of bureaucrats. The last thing most of us
believe in is the rule of law. We do not trust our government or the people
we have elected but our constitution is still very much alive and we choose
to believe that destiny has placed Patrick Fitzgerald at this time and this
place in our history to save us from the people we elected. If the law
cannot get to the truth of what has happened to the American people under
the Bush administration, then we all may begin to hear the early death
rattles of history's greatest democracy.

Fortunately, there are good signs. Fitzgerald has reportedly asked for a
copy of the Italian government's investigation into the break-in of the
Niger embassy in Rome and the source of the forged documents. The blatantly
fake papers, which purported to show that Saddam Hussein had cut a deal to
get yellowcake uranium from Niger, turned up after a December 2001 meeting
in Rome involving neo-con Michael Ledeen, Larry Walker, Harold Rhodes, and
Niccolo Pollari, the head of Italy's intelligence agency SISMI, and Antonio
Martino, the Italian defense minister.

Is Fitzgerald is examining the possibility that Ledeen was executing a plan
to help his friend Karl Rove build a case for invading Iraq? Ledeen has long
ties to Italian intelligence agency operatives and has spanned the globe to
bring the world the constant variety of what he calls "creative destruction"
to build democracies. He makes the other neo-cons appear passive. He brought
the Reagan administration together with the Iranian arms dealer who dragged
the country through Iran-Contra and shares with his close friend Karl Rove a
personal obsession with Machiavelli. Ledeen, who is almost rabidly
anti-Arab, famously told the Washington Post that Karl Rove told him, "Any
time you have a good idea, tell me."

The federal grand jury has to at least consider whether Ledeen called Rove
with an idea to use his contacts with the Italian CIA to hatch a plan to
create the rationale for war. Ledeen told radio interviewer Ian Masters and
his producer Louis Vandenberg, "I have absolutely no connection to the Niger
documents, have never even seen them. I did not work on them, never handled
them, know virtually nothing about them, don't think I ever wrote or said
anything about the subject." It is strictly coincidence then that some
months after he and his neo-con consorts and Italian intelligence officers
met in Rome that the Niger embassy was illegally entered and nothing was
stolen other than letterhead and seals. And equally coincident that forged
papers under those letterheads were slipped to Elisabetta Burba, a writer
for an Italian glossy owned by Silvio Berlusconi, Italy's prime minister,
and a backer of the Bush invasion scheme. Unfortunately for the pro-war
neo-cons, even an Italian tabloid would not publish the fake documents and
turned them over to the CIA and US government in Rome.

The other American attendees at Ledeen's Roman Holiday are also worthy of
scrutiny. Larry Franklin was recently arrested for leaking classified US
government information to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee.
Ledeen sprang quickly to his defense but Walker faces prosecution next year
and is most probably cooperating with prosecutor Fitzgerald. Harold Rhode,
the other American actor in this tragicomic affair, worked the Office of
Special Plans (OSP) at the CIA for Vice President Dick Cheney. Characterized
as a "counter-intelligence shop," OSP simply interpreted intelligence in a
manner that fit the need for evidence that Iraq had WMD. If the CIA gathered
data that said otherwise, OSP analyzed it differently or ignored the facts
and then reported to the vice president precisely what he wanted to hear.
Rhode also was the liaison between Ahmed Chalabi, the convicted embezzler
the Bush administration was using to feed information to them and Judy
Miller about the distortions and lies required to fuel the rush to war.

No great extrapolation is necessary to assume that OSP, sitting inside the
CIA, got early word that Joseph Wilson was being dispatched to Niger to
investigate the sale of low-grade uranium to Iraq. Rhode needed only to pick
up the phone and call the vice president's chief of staff Scooter Libby, who
would tell his boss and Karl Rove. How hard is it for even Republicans to
believe, at this point, that Rove is capable of launching a plan to
discredit Wilson and punish him by exposing his wife? Rove and his boss were
not simply in danger of losing the prime cause for the war; they faced an
even graver political wound of being discovered as covert agents who
defrauded the government and the public.

I have seen the spawn of Rove's tortured mind and watched a hundred of his
political scams unfold and I am confident I know how this one played out.
Rove might have brought it up with his fellow big brains in the White House
Iraq Group, a propaganda organization set up to disseminate information
supporting the war. There was likely a consensus to move the plan to smack
down Wilson out of the White House. Rove always keeps a layer of operatives
between himself and the person he gets to pull the trigger. Libby was
probably told to manage it out of the VP's office to protect the president
because Karl always takes care of his most prized assets. Libby then likely
ordered John Hannah and possibly David Wurmser to call the ever-friendly
Judy Miller at the New York Times and columnist Robert Novak to give them
Valerie Plame's identity. Rove knew that Miller would call Libby of Aspen
for confirmation and his old friend Novak was certain to call Rove who, as
an unidentified senior White House official, would confirm the identity on
background only. Because Novak is a partisan gunslinger, he wrote more
quickly than Miller and when she saw the firestorm his story created, she
backed off and has since been trying to cover for herself and Libby.
Miller's later claim that she cannot remember who gave her the "Valerie
Flame" name is as much dissembling as Rove's unconvincing argument that he
"forgot" he met with Time reporter Matt Cooper. Karl Rove can remember
precinct results from 19th century presidential elections. He neither
forgets nor forgives.

There you have it, Mr. Prosecutor. To quote an unreconstructed former
Republican presidential candidate, "You know it. I know it. And the American
people know it." We expect you also to have sufficient evidence to prove all
of this. There are many of us who are on the verge of losing faith in our
democracy. We are convinced that there are people within the highest
ramparts of American government who are willing to put our country at great
risk to advance their geo-political vision. We want our country back. And
all we have left is the power of the law. From what we know, you are the
right man come forth at the right time.

Prove to us we still live in a democracy and a nation of laws.
If special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald delivers indictments of a few
functionaries of the vice president's office or the White House, we are
likely to have on our hands a constitutional crisis. The evidence of
widespread wrongdoing and conspiracy is before every American with a cheap
laptop and a cable television subscription. And we do not have the same
powers of subpoena granted to Fitzgerald. We know, however, based upon what
we have read and seen and heard that someone created fake documents related
to Niger and Iraq and used them as a false pretense to launch America into
an invasion of Iraq. And when a former diplomat made an honest effort to
find out the facts, a plan was hatched to both discredit and punish him by
revealing the identity of his undercover CIA agent wife.

Patrick Fitzgerald has before him the most important criminal case in
American history. Watergate, by comparison, was a random burglary in an age
of innocence. The investigator's prosecutorial authority in this present
case is not constrained by any regulation. If he finds a thread connecting
the leak to something greater, Fitzgerald has the legal power to follow it
to the web in search of the spider. It seems unlikely, then, that he would
simply go after the leakers and the people who sought to cover up the leak
when it was merely a secondary consequence of the much greater crime of
forging evidence to foment war. Fitzgerald did not earn his reputation as an
Irish alligator by going after the little guy. Presumably, he is trying to
find evidence that Karl Rove launched a covert operation to create the
forged documents and then conspired to out Valerie Plame when he learned the
fraud was being uncovered by Plame's husband, Ambassador Joseph Wilson. As
much as this sounds like the plot of a John le Carre novel, it also comports
with the profile of the Karl Rove I have known, watched, traveled with and
written about for the past 25 years.

We may stand witness to a definitive American moment of democracy. The son
of a New York doorman probably has in his hands, in many ways, the fate of
the republic. Because far too many of us know and are aware of the crimes
committed by our government in our name, we are unlikely to settle for a
handful of minor indictments of bureaucrats. The last thing most of us
believe in is the rule of law. We do not trust our government or the people
we have elected but our constitution is still very much alive and we choose
to believe that destiny has placed Patrick Fitzgerald at this time and this
place in our history to save us from the people we elected. If the law
cannot get to the truth of what has happened to the American people under
the Bush administration, then we all may begin to hear the early death
rattles of history's greatest democracy.

Fortunately, there are good signs. Fitzgerald has reportedly asked for a
copy of the Italian government's investigation into the break-in of the
Niger embassy in Rome and the source of the forged documents. The blatantly
fake papers, which purported to show that Saddam Hussein had cut a deal to
get yellowcake uranium from Niger, turned up after a December 2001 meeting
in Rome involving neo-con Michael Ledeen, Larry Walker, Harold Rhodes, and
Niccolo Pollari, the head of Italy's intelligence agency SISMI, and Antonio
Martino, the Italian defense minister.

Is Fitzgerald is examining the possibility that Ledeen was executing a plan
to help his friend Karl Rove build a case for invading Iraq? Ledeen has long
ties to Italian intelligence agency operatives and has spanned the globe to
bring the world the constant variety of what he calls "creative destruction"
to build democracies. He makes the other neo-cons appear passive. He brought
the Reagan administration together with the Iranian arms dealer who dragged
the country through Iran-Contra and shares with his close friend Karl Rove a
personal obsession with Machiavelli. Ledeen, who is almost rabidly
anti-Arab, famously told the Washington Post that Karl Rove told him, "Any
time you have a good idea, tell me."

The federal grand jury has to at least consider whether Ledeen called Rove
with an idea to use his contacts with the Italian CIA to hatch a plan to
create the rationale for war. Ledeen told radio interviewer Ian Masters and
his producer Louis Vandenberg, "I have absolutely no connection to the Niger
documents, have never even seen them. I did not work on them, never handled
them, know virtually nothing about them, don't think I ever wrote or said
anything about the subject." It is strictly coincidence then that some
months after he and his neo-con consorts and Italian intelligence officers
met in Rome that the Niger embassy was illegally entered and nothing was
stolen other than letterhead and seals. And equally coincident that forged
papers under those letterheads were slipped to Elisabetta Burba, a writer
for an Italian glossy owned by Silvio Berlusconi, Italy's prime minister,
and a backer of the Bush invasion scheme. Unfortunately for the pro-war
neo-cons, even an Italian tabloid would not publish the fake documents and
turned them over to the CIA and US government in Rome.

The other American attendees at Ledeen's Roman Holiday are also worthy of
scrutiny. Larry Franklin was recently arrested for leaking classified US
government information to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee.
Ledeen sprang quickly to his defense but Walker faces prosecution next year
and is most probably cooperating with prosecutor Fitzgerald. Harold Rhode,
the other American actor in this tragicomic affair, worked the Office of
Special Plans (OSP) at the CIA for Vice President Dick Cheney. Characterized
as a "counter-intelligence shop," OSP simply interpreted intelligence in a
manner that fit the need for evidence that Iraq had WMD. If the CIA gathered
data that said otherwise, OSP analyzed it differently or ignored the facts
and then reported to the vice president precisely what he wanted to hear.
Rhode also was the liaison between Ahmed Chalabi, the convicted embezzler
the Bush administration was using to feed information to them and Judy
Miller about the distortions and lies required to fuel the rush to war.

No great extrapolation is necessary to assume that OSP, sitting inside the
CIA, got early word that Joseph Wilson was being dispatched to Niger to
investigate the sale of low-grade uranium to Iraq. Rhode needed only to pick
up the phone and call the vice president's chief of staff Scooter Libby, who
would tell his boss and Karl Rove. How hard is it for even Republicans to
believe, at this point, that Rove is capable of launching a plan to
discredit Wilson and punish him by exposing his wife? Rove and his boss were
not simply in danger of losing the prime cause for the war; they faced an
even graver political wound of being discovered as covert agents who
defrauded the government and the public.

I have seen the spawn of Rove's tortured mind and watched a hundred of his
political scams unfold and I am confident I know how this one played out.
Rove might have brought it up with his fellow big brains in the White House
Iraq Group, a propaganda organization set up to disseminate information
supporting the war. There was likely a consensus to move the plan to smack
down Wilson out of the White House. Rove always keeps a layer of operatives
between himself and the person he gets to pull the trigger. Libby was
probably told to manage it out of the VP's office to protect the president
because Karl always takes care of his most prized assets. Libby then likely
ordered John Hannah and possibly David Wurmser to call the ever-friendly
Judy Miller at the New York Times and columnist Robert Novak to give them
Valerie Plame's identity. Rove knew that Miller would call Libby of Aspen
for confirmation and his old friend Novak was certain to call Rove who, as
an unidentified senior White House official, would confirm the identity on
background only. Because Novak is a partisan gunslinger, he wrote more
quickly than Miller and when she saw the firestorm his story created, she
backed off and has since been trying to cover for herself and Libby.
Miller's later claim that she cannot remember who gave her the "Valerie
Flame" name is as much dissembling as Rove's unconvincing argument that he
"forgot" he met with Time reporter Matt Cooper. Karl Rove can remember
precinct results from 19th century presidential elections. He neither
forgets nor forgives.

There you have it, Mr. Prosecutor. To quote an unreconstructed former
Republican presidential candidate, "You know it. I know it. And the American
people know it." We expect you also to have sufficient evidence to prove all
of this. There are many of us who are on the verge of losing faith in our
democracy. We are convinced that there are people within the highest
ramparts of American government who are willing to put our country at great
risk to advance their geo-political vision. We want our country back. And
all we have left is the power of the law. From what we know, you are the
right man come forth at the right time.

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[Blunderov] It seems possible that Miller may have had very good reason to
seek limitations on her testimony if the report below is to be believed. The
author does not provide any evidence for this assertion however.
Best regards.

http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=8889

Judith Miller is Unnamed Woman in AIPAC Spy Ring Indictment

<picture of document>

Page 24 Paragraph numbered 7of the AIPAC Spy Ring Indictment (see below)
http://news.findlaw.com/nytimes/docs/dod/usfrnklin80205ind.pdf

This is in reference to a meeting between FRANKLIN (Larry Franklin) and FO-3
(Naor Gilon) at the Pentagon Officers Athletic Club. The woman referenced is
Judith Miller. Miller is a reporter for the New York Times who is as I write
held in a Federal Facility in contempt of court. She wrote many now
discredited stories on WMDs for the Times. The Charitable work was The Iraqi
Jewish Archive which Judith Miller and Harold Rhode cooperated on with Ahmad
Chalabi.

<picture of document>

I have reason to believe that the conversation between Larry Franklin and
Naor Gilon about Judith Miller included a reference to Valerie Plame. This
case becomes a time bomb if it is revealed that Mossad had a part in the
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[Blunderov] This from http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=8985
I see a soap opera spinoff possibility here - "As the Aspens Turn". Any
takers?
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MORE SEALED INDICTMENTS UNDER NATIONAL SECURITY FOR VIOLATIONS OF THE
ESPIONAGE ACT.
CLOAK EXCLUSIVE UPDATED INFORMATION posted OCT.29/05
Cloak News Toronto - UPDATED Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald under
National Security guidelines sealed two Grand Jury Indictments. Tom Heneghan
(special Cloak guest) who has been on the forefront releasing first news on
the work of the Grand Juries, has learned that RICHARD PERLE 
And PAUL WOLFOWITZ have been indicted (under seal) for violations of the
Espionage Act and for misuse of classified information. V.P. CHENEY named as
unindicted co-conspirator.

White House National Security Advisor STEVE HADLEY has flipped.

Stay with Cloak News and stay ahead of the Mass Media parade. More to come
tonight in the Member's Archives if we are not shut down by the Bush White
House Internet Police. (W.H.I.P.)

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