[Joe Dees]
The illusions of which Rhinocerous had to painfully divest himself were the illusions that he could rationally and evidentiarily defend his political contentions, which are born of his infestation with the Bush=Hitler, The US is always wrong/worse than the terrorists, and xtuin fundamentalism is much worse than Islamic fundamentalism memes.
[rhinoceros]
Inventive. Was I there when it happened? Do you realize that you are still talking to yourself?
[Joe Dees 2] Yes, you were there, all right...which is why you filed it down the memory hole. And if I'm just talking to myself, what are you doing answering, hmmmm?
[Joe Dees]
I do notice, however that when I refute such allegations, the attacks are immediately redirected towards me - this has become typical CoV behaviour for these ravingly unrecalcitrant Totalitarian-Far-Left-Worshipping, BusHitlerGreatSatanUSA memebots.
[rhinoceros]
My point exactly. What allegation did you refute and by whom? Did it occur you for a moment that the "immediate redirection" happens because you are making up elaborate insults out of thin air?
[Joe Dees 2]
Then you must think that thin air is logged in the list archives.
The proferred (by Walter Watts) allegation that homeland security alert statuses were being manipulated by the administration for political advantage was refuted by a NYT article I posted outlining the terrorist sources of the information which prompted the recent alert elevation. The canards that the US troops were unwelcome occupiers and that the Iraqis did not desire democracy were refuted by poll after poll, and CNN just released a poll that shows that Iraqis prefer Bush over Kerry by a 3-1 margin (right-wing rural poorly educated Islamic fundamentalists prefer Kerry; more liberal and better-educated urban Iraqis prefer Bush).
I have also answered the claim that things are worse in Iraq and Afghanistan now than they were under Saddam and the Taliban by posting stories of 90% voter registration in Afghanistan and 4300 Iraqis competing in elections for 1000 posts.
As far as the 'Bush lied' meme goes, acting upon false and/or incomplete info. in a way that anyone responsible in the office would act - info. that was accepted by Democrats and Republicans alike, as well as by the UN and the governments of Europe, is not lying to the American people, especially if not acting could hav catastrophic consequences, as it could have had. Lying requires an intention to deceive that is actualized by communicating as truth that which one knows not to be true. Bush did NOT say, BYW, that the threat was imminent; he said that we could not afford to wait until it WAS imminent in our judgment, because if we miscalculated and waited too long, it might be carried out while we had taken no action to forfend it - kinda like 9/11.
And as far as the 'no WMD' accusations go, UNMOVIC themselves confirmed Saddam's active weapons programs, as well as the WMD transshipment through Syria to three sites in Lebanon's Bekaa Valley.
And before you claim that 'there Joe goes again', remember that you asked the question - I only answered it. If you wish to pursue this topic further, we can do so on the 'Serious Business' BBS.
[Joe Dees]
The problem isn't that I'm just waiting for things to blow over so I can continue to propagandize; the problem is that those who are in zombic thrall to the abovementioned memes cannot restrain themselves from indulging in them, and then I counter their fallacies with posted articles which clearly refute their allegations - and it peeves them to no end. They would prefer that their vicious and erroneous piling on was unchallenged, much less unrefuted.
[rhinoceros]
Same tune. What are you replying to? What compelled you to defend your cut&paste floods here? Aren't these more childish insults out of thin air?
[Joe Dees 2]
No, they are a reply to your vile right-wing accusations. You will not slander and slime me unanswered - count on it, bubba! BYW: that cut-and-paste allegation is old news; I haven't done that here in several days, and then did it merely to privode refutational evidence, rather than depending upon people to take my word for things.
[Joe Dees]
Intellectually interesting does not mean lockstep political litmus-test-enforced, except on the yonder side of the Rhino-in-Wonderland mirror. And it most certainly does not mean to be UNbalanced, either politically or otherwise.
[rhinoceros]
Intellectually interesting is what interests intellectual people. I also note that your literary style would be really dull and hollow if you took out the epithets and the metaphors, even if they are also out of thin air.
[Joe Dees 2]
You are the epitome of dullness, and lack all literary style. Nor do I consider you to be a valid judge of what might appeal to an intellectual. I make points that are backed up with evidence and logic; this can be both dry and correct simultaneously.
I quite simply cannot recall a single significant contribution you have made here.
[Joe Dees]
And as far as me being a right-winger, I most decidedly am not. My only conservatism is fiscal; I favor pay-as-we-go to either Democratic tax-and-spend or Republican borrow-and-spend. I am socially liberal, favoring abortion rights, legalization of marijuana, gay marriage rights, legal gambling, legal pornography, legal prostitution, and legal euthanasia.
[rhinoceros]
We have already heard al this many times. This, and how you used to be a democrat and voted for Al Gore before you saw the light. Not that I asked.
[Joe Dees]
Then why didn't you remeber it before you laid that lie upon me, HUNH??
Because the truth did not fit your slander. And, 'the light' was not a repudiation of social liberalism; it was simply a sigh of relief that the people waging that terror war for us are the ones we got rather than the ones we would have gotten.
[Joe Dees]
I do, however, support waging war on those Islamofascists who would terrorize us into giving up the hope of all of these, and giving up the realities of gender egalitarianism, participatory democracy, free scientific inquiry, and freedom of thought, speech and religion besides.!
[rhinoceros]
We know it too well, of course, and *that is exactly the problem*. You have been unable to keep it out once more.
And yet it is okay to call Bush, who has ably waged that war, a moron and a Hitler onlist? I call double standard. Both or neither. And, BTW, what DO you have against gender egalitarianism, participatory democracy, free scientific inquiry, and freedom of thought, speech and religion?
[Joe Dees]
This clearly makes me a fiscally conservative pro-war-on-terror liberal (not leftist), and there are a lot of us out there. So I'd appreciate your not repeating the false and vilely malicious 'right-winger' canard, thankyouverymuch
[rhinoceros]
No problem. I can do this without even bargaining for the hilarious epithets with which you have been decorating me. The "liberal - not leftist" stuff is not "The Meme" which rides you anyway -- you only occasionally mention it.
When you sling mud at me, O Face-Horned One, expect some to splatter back upon your hoary hide - especially when you cannot resist knowingly lying (cf. 'right-winger' allegation) when you sling it.
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