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Re: virus: Zionism, Anti-Semitism and American Democracy
« Reply #15 on: 2003-11-28 12:23:23 » |
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"definition of faith that implies that the level of belief in a proposition (the truth value assigned, or confidence, probability or plausability level) is not supported by the evidence available"
How much faith do you have in that definition?
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First, read Bruce Sterling's "Distraction", and then read http://electionmethods.org.
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David Lucifer
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Re: virus: Zionism, Anti-Semitism and American Democracy
« Reply #16 on: 2003-11-28 12:57:04 » |
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Erik Aronesty wrote:
> "definition of faith that implies that the level of belief in a
> proposition (the truth value assigned, or confidence, probability or
> plausability level) is not supported by the evidence available"
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> How much faith do you have in that definition?
Using the aforementioned definition I have a high degree of confidence
but very little faith that the definition corresponds to how I use the word.
I have slightly less confidence and still very little faith that the
definition corresponds to how most people here use it.
The evidence available determines a certain level of confidence one
should ideally have in the truth of a given proposition. Faith is the
degree to which actual confidence differs from that ideal level.
Does that make sense? I'll try to find a diagram I created a few years
ago to illustrate the idea during a similar discussion on this list.
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Re: virus: Zionism, Anti-Semitism and American Democracy
« Reply #17 on: 2003-11-28 14:13:05 » |
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I get what you are saying given the context and definitions you provided. However, you still sound like someone with much conviction. Taking the argument as a whole, you sould like someone who has unshakably adopted a failth in himself and his own arguments. While I personally agree with the logic, I'm not certain that it is always effective to communicate in this fashion.
Or, perhaps I am merely longing for face-to-face conversation in which vast quantities of nonverbal communication take place. This text thing is so limiting.
One of the things that we do when we speak in person is we assign a "certainty level" to each of our statements. We do this unconciously, through posture and facial expression.
Much of this critical information is lost when communicating online.
-----Original Message-----
From: "David McFadzean" <david@lucifer.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 12:57:04
To:<virus@lucifer.com>
Subject: Re: virus: Zionism, Anti-Semitism and American Democracy
Erik Aronesty wrote:
> "definition of faith that implies that the level of belief in a
> proposition (the truth value assigned, or confidence, probability or
> plausability level) is not supported by the evidence available"
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> How much faith do you have in that definition?
Using the aforementioned definition I have a high degree of confidence
but very little faith that the definition corresponds to how I use the word.
I have slightly less confidence and still very little faith that the
definition corresponds to how most people here use it.
The evidence available determines a certain level of confidence one
should ideally have in the truth of a given proposition. Faith is the
degree to which actual confidence differs from that ideal level.
Does that make sense? I'll try to find a diagram I created a few years
ago to illustrate the idea during a similar discussion on this list.
David
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First, read Bruce Sterling's "Distraction", and then read http://electionmethods.org.
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Re:virus: Zionism, Anti-Semitism and American Democracy
« Reply #18 on: 2003-11-28 20:35:45 » |
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simul, you ill-define many of your words subjectively. "How much faith do you have in that definition?" This is just shit you're giving Jukka because of your supposedly "former" past in Judaism. I agree with Jukka's definition for the most part. Faith, belief, trust*, confidence are irrational emotions stemming from the natural human tendency to want something more than what is quite real.
*Trust is situationally-irrational, however, faith/belief and confidence are always irrational as these emotions do not build from previous experiences. You may think I'm wrong here, but really, that's just because you often hear people using these words inaccurately.
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Re:virus: Zionism, Anti-Semitism and American Democracy
« Reply #19 on: 2003-12-18 20:39:12 » |
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[meta]
Jukka's theories on Jews are Skinheadic. Heh.
Q. Didn't God create us all equal? And doesn't it clearly say in the Old Testament that the Jews are "God's Chosen People"?
A. First off, we don't believe in a God, therefore whatever "supposedly" he says is irrelevant, and second, we believe that the jews wrote the New Testament to confuse the Goyim (term used to call a white person, meaning "Cattle"). The jews sure as hell(?) don't believe in the New Testament or any suicidal teachings it so dearly holds in it. The jews don't believe we are all equal, they believe THEY ARE THE CHOSEN ONES. How equal is that? Nor do they believe in "Turn the other cheek" "Resist Not evil" but instead believe in "An Eye for an Eye". Quite clearly the exact opposite, I'd say.
Source: http://www.meta-religion.com/Hate_Groups/Skinheads/frequently_asked_questions_about.htm
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