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RE: virus: Jewish Controlled Media & Leaders Misrepresent Malaysian PM
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Israel does not equal Judaism. After the jews were butchered in WW2 like cattle, we offered them a deal. You get to go live in "Israel". Amerenglad then used their presense there as an excuse to slowly build up military might in the region.
You see no one really gave a crap about the Jews. Our president at the time was, himself, anti-semetic.
However we knew that oil was the key to dominating the industrial revolution.
The Jewish people wouldn't have packed up and moved anywhere. They are resiliant people, and they were used to centuries "hiding in plain sight", as the best means of defence. However, the prospect of returning to the Holy Land was too great.
Besides, shipping the Jews to Israel was one step on the way for Christians to carry out the bidding of their self-fulfilling prophecies of armageddon.
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RE: virus: Jewish Controlled Media & Leaders Misrepresent Malaysian PM
« Reply #16 on: 2003-10-30 05:17:46 » |
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....i wonder...what do you think, is it worse to be "anti-american" or
"anti-semetic"? it sometimes occurs to me that there is this horrid stigma
to the term "anti-semetic". i seriously suspect that i am anti-semetic...i
dont like the generalities of the jews or the arabs. they seem to be
exclusionary religious assholes for the most part. i give everyman the
chance to be an individual, but semetic peoples seem to be driven to chaos
and violence - they always have some silly reason or another, but we as an
audience seem eternally pressured to empathize with their situation
regardless of how self-inflicted these situations might be. So sorry, but
im just tired of suffering for this personal illusion. if some groups
concentual hallucination requires MY participation, then sorry, but this
exceeds the reasonable expectations any group may have over me. call me
unfair but after knowing a couple hundred jews and arabs personally, so far
the 'hit' ratio is about 98% ...and i can name names.
DrSebby.
"Courage...and shuffle the cards".
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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 23:45:37 -0000
Hi Blunderlov,
Kharin has quoted some of the bits you chose to leave out. I think my/our
point is made. Clearly the speech is subject to interpretation and I see it
as a call to arms from a career Anti-Semite. Would you tolerate this speech
from say George Bush or Tony Blair? Or if the speaker where exhorting blacks
to unify in a fight against whites? Let us apply one standard or none at
all.
Anyway, I thought this was interesting:
Mahathir is right: Jews do rule the world
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/EJ28Aa02.html
Just because you are paranoid it doesn't prove that they are not out to get
you. Paranoid, to be sure, was Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad's
allegation that the "Jews rule this world by proxy" on October 16. Whether
Dr Mahathir himself is paranoid, or whether he adapted his words to the
paranoia of his audience makes little difference. Through the twisted prism
of paranoia, the facts on the ground do indeed suggest that the Jews rule
the world.
Europeans who turn up their noses at Malaysia's leader should recall that
just 60 years ago, Europe's official ideology (under Nazi conquest) agreed
with Mahathir's claim that the Jews "invented and successfully promoted
socialism, communism, human rights and democracy". That is where Mahathir
doubtless got the idea in the first place. Not only Adolf Hitler, but the
highest circles of the Catholic Church believed that communism was a Jewish
plot, as a Swiss priest, Father Martin Rhonheimer, documents in the November
2003 issue of First Things.
Not since Hitler has the leader of an important country claimed that
democracy itself was a Jewish invention, at least in the modern period. Let
us however not engage in what Leo Strauss called "reductio ad Hitlerum,"
rejecting ideas merely because Hitler invented them, and take Mahathir's
claim at face value.
The Jews did indeed invent democracy, in its modern form, although not quite
in the way he imagines.
Modern (as opposed to ancient Greek or Roman) democracy stems from the
Protestant motto "solo scriptorum", "only the Bible", by which every man
must interpret scripture for himself. To begin with, Protestantism was
unimaginable without Jewish theologians (who exposed the incompatibilities
of free will and original sin), not to mention Jewish bible translators. In
such a world, congregations must elect their church elders (Presbyterians)
or even their pastors (Congregationalists), rather than accept church
hierarchy. If democracy rules ecclesiastical affairs, why not then secular
affairs as well?
Only Anglo-Saxon Protestantism had the opportunity to take on a political
form, thanks in large part to the colonization of America. America's
so-called revolution was in fact a second English civil war, in which the
Whigs supported the American rebels against the Tory government. England's
democratic impulse came from the extreme wing of its Protestants, from such
sects as the Separatists who founded the Massachusetts Bay Colony, or the
Quakers who founded Pennsylvania. Only on American soil did radical
Protestantism flourish unimpeded by monarchy and established church.
America's founders set forth with messianic ambitions. They saw themselves
as a new Israel setting out to found a new Jerusalem, as in John Winthrop's
famous sermon "On Christian Charity". "We shall find that the God of Israel
is among us, when 10 of us shall be able to resist a thousand of our
enemies, when He shall make us a praise and glory, that men shall say of
succeeding plantations, the Lord make it like that of New England. For we
must consider that we shall be as a city upon a hill, the eyes of all people
are upon us."
Jews played a small role in the creation of the American colonies, and a
marginal role in the revolution, but American democracy stemmed from Jewish
ideas. That is quite different from Mahathir's claim that Jews "invented"
democracy. No conspiracy can invent democracy of the American kind.
Massachusetts farmers formed a battle line against British regulars at
Lexington and Concord in 1775 because self-governance was to them a matter
of life and death. Such a sentiment is alien to Mahathir's world. His
imagination does not encompass people like the radical Protestants of 18th
century New England.
American democracy grew from a seed-crystal of representative institutions,
beginning, as noted, with the election of church officials. Americans are
used to governing their own affairs through a vast number of institutions at
the capillary level of society. It astonished me to discover that the
election of local school boards in American towns can excite more partisan
passion than a presidential election. Unlike Europe, where education
ministries dispense a centralized budget, American towns tax themselves for
elementary and secondary education. Towns with better schools attract
higher-income residents who can afford to pay for better education, in a
virtuous cycle. Hospitals, public libraries and even the fire brigade draw
on private resources and volunteer labor.
That brings us to the touchy matter of conspiracies. Mahathir's world is
populated by conspiracies. They are as real and tangible to him as the chair
on which he sits. In the rough-and-tumble of democratic governance,
conspiracies help little, because all the important issues will come to
light one way or another. What Bernard Lewis calls "consultative" governance
in the Islamic world, however, only can exist through conspiracies.
There does not exist to my knowledge a self-governing school board, hospital
committee or fire brigade anywhere in Arab countries. But the meanest
peasant may approach the loftiest ruler for the privilege of a few moments'
worth of whispered pleading. Beneficent and merciful rulers will take pity
on their subjects. If one wishes to influence the ruler, numerous of his
subjects must agree in advance what they shall whisper in his ear, that is,
literally, to conspire.
That helps explain why Mahathir can account for the facts as he observes
them by no means other than conspiracy. There is another dimension to this
as well, namely the theological. If the constitution is the bone of American
democracy, radical Protestant theology forms its bone marrow. What is the
relationship between Islamic theology and government? Does it help explain
why we encounter what Lewis calls "consultative" as opposed to
"representative" forms of government in the Islamic world?
Imitatio dei, emulation of God, is the most important practical consequence
of religion. Religious men act according to their conception of the
attributes of the deity they worship. Let us tug a bit at this thread, and
see where it leads us.
Remember that the Jewish God enjoys only a qualified sort of omnipotence.
His sympathy with mankind, his creation, compels him to suffer along with
his creatures. He cannot help but hear the cry of innocent blood, the
complaint of the widow and orphan, the mistreated stranger and the oppressed
slave (Professor James Kugel of Harvard makes his hoary argument in The God
of Old). He is the God of the town meeting, of the popular assembly, of the
democrats. With good reason, Friedrich Nietzsche labelled the Jewish deity a
God of slaves. He permits the likes of Abraham and Moses to give him a hard
time over such things as the destruction of Sodom, or exterminating the
sinners among the Israelites.
When ancient Israel demanded that their leader, the prophet Samuel, appoint
a king (I Samuel  , God complained, "They have rejected me as their king."
He tells Samuel to warn the people against kings. When the people demand a
king nonetheless, God tells Samuel, "Give them a king." The Jews' God chose
for his people a despised race of slaves. He humbles himself by sympathizing
with the weak. The Christian God even came to earth and allowed himself to
be crucified. He loves the poor and weak. Indeed, weakness ineluctably draws
forth his love. Jewish and Christian theologians speak of "divine humility".
Not so Allah, the beneficent, the merciful. "For Islam, the notion that
man's failings more powerfully awake God's love than man's merits is an
absurd, indeed an impossible thought. Allah has pity upon human weaknesses,
but the idea that he loves weakness more than strength is a form of divine
humility that is foreign to the God of Mohammed," wrote the Jewish
theologian Franz Rosenzweig.
Imitatio dei may explain why Americans and Muslims seek quite different
attributes in their political leaders. More important than strength and
intelligence in the character of an American presidential candidate is
humility. Whatever one thinks of President George W Bush, he cultivates the
same sort of folksy image that served former president Jimmy Carter so well.
In this regard one thinks of Bill Clinton, who hid his intellectual
arrogance so effectively, or Ronald Reagan, who cloaked his ideological
fervor in self-deprecating humor.
More than anything else, Americans want their leaders to listen to them. A
president had better be a better listener than a talker. That is what
Americans expect from their God, after all, and all the more so from a
president who is a mere human.
The sort of leader who evoked adulation in the Arab world, eg, a Gamal Abdel
Nasser, produces only revulsion among Americans. The trouble is that the gap
between American and Islamic views of the world may be unbridgeable. The
more Americans learn about the Islamic world, the less they may be inclined
to sympathize with the Islamic cause.
In November 2001, for example, 31 percent of Americans told an opinion poll
that Islam had a great deal in common with their religion. Now, only 22
percent believe that this is the case. That is why Bush will not fire
General William Boykin, who scandalized the news media by suggesting that
the "war against terror" had a religious dimension. If barely a one-fifth of
Americans see a commonality between Islam and their own religion, who can
blame Boykin - who heads the hunt for Osama bin Laden - for stating what
everyone believes?
Since September 11, 2001, the government of the US, its news media and its
academic institutions have made extraordinary efforts to emphasize the
common goals of Islam and the West. "Islam is a religion of peace," Bush has
repeated countless times. Spokesmen for Islamic organizations in the US and
abroad have enjoyed an unprecedented degree of access to the American media,
and the American public has been exposed to the Islamic viewpoint to an
extent never before imaginable.
The result appears to be precisely the opposite of what the government, news
media and academia intended. Americans show less sympathy than before to
Islam, and, correspondingly, more inclination to support the Israeli cause.
Why, Arabs (and many Europeans) ask themselves, should the greatest power in
the world care about the fate of a few million leftovers from an ancient
past, colonizing a corner of the Mediterranean in order to preserve their
battered nationhood? Why would America make so many enemies and lose so many
friends over the Jews? Can anything but a vast and insidious conspiracy
explain such irrational behavior?
That is a fatal error. America may be a great power, but it is composed of
individuals who consider themselves weak. They want the respect of their
leaders and the protection of their laws even when they are weak, poor and
despised. Their ancestors came to America in the hope of finding such a
haven. Fairness and sympathy for the underdog are not merely a sentimental
issue in the US; they are woven into the fabric of America's being. America
is the political realization of the slave-religion, the cult of the creator
of heaven and earth who cannot help but answer the cry of the widow, the
fatherless, the poor, and the stranger. The more you tell Americans that
they should abandon their friends in the interest of political advantage,
the likelier they are to reach for their guns (and most of them own guns).
They want a Jewish sort of God who hears the prayer of the widow and the
fatherless, and they want a government that protects the widow and the
fatherless from the powerful and the arrogant. Through America's inherent
sense of justice, Jews do rule the world, just as Mahathir believes,
although not of course in the way he imagines it.
Mahathir, to be sure, has deplored the violent responses of some in the
Islamic world, which merely repels potential friends. Yet he has done just
as much damage to the image of Islam in the West. Merely by being himself,
he contributed to the deep sense of unease that Americans have concerning
the character of the Islamic world.
Great understanding among cultures does not always make things better.
Sometimes it makes things worse. Adolf Eichmann, it should be recalled,
studied Hebrew with a Berlin rabbi, the better to understand the Jews he
wished to exterminate. The leaders of the Islamic terrorist organizations
are not throwbacks to the 10th century, but Western-educated science
students.
In his own paranoid fashion, Mahathir has advanced the cause of mutual
understanding between the Islamic world and America. Mahathir has made clear
that the Jews do, indeed, rule the world, at least in the sense that he and
his compatriots understand the words "to rule". And he has made clear to
Americans that the filter through which the Islamic world views America is a
form of paranoia that cannot quickly be cured.
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Kind regards
Jonathan
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[Blunderov]
Perhaps the link you gave is incorrect? It seems to me that you must be
referring to some other speech by Mahathir?
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RE: virus: Jewish Controlled Media & Leaders Misrepresent Malaysian PM
« Reply #17 on: 2003-10-30 15:43:58 » |
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Dear Dr. Sebby,
Is it possible that it is merely the "memes" that have infected certain regions in the Middle East that cause you to view semetic people so distastefully?
And, if so, why bother using such innacurate labels which imply that complexion and genetic predisposition are somehow responsible for this behavior?
Finally, guess whether I am semetic or not - by looking at the history of my posts.
Please determine for yourself as to whether I am a person who engages in rational discourse.
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RE: virus: Jewish Controlled Media & Leaders Misrepresent Malaysian PM
« Reply #18 on: 2003-10-31 17:37:12 » |
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....yes indeed, you are correct. meme's affect us all to varying
degrees...but in examining my statements and correlating 'feelings' i have
to seriously pause and wonder who shat in the morning milk first? a brief
history of my statement's foundations and then a few clarifying points as to
the wording of said "anti-ism":
1990:...i was 19yrs old and heading off on my first adventure. i came from
the MOST un-biased origins one could possibly imagine...a combination of
parents entirely free of such filling. mum was half aztec indian origin,
father had a thing for latin chicks apparently and is himself very much the
pinnacle of "judge every man by his actions, attitudes, and person
independent of family history etc." sounds a bit preachy and cliche, but
i've never seen any sign of a crack in this personality trait of his -
direct or subconciously. my childhood was spent around zero 'minorities' of
any sort and thus i had a very positive outlook on all those unlike
myself...perhaps even encouraged by an impression that those unlike myself
might be worldly and savvy beyond my capacity (i was quite an ignorant
little cuss in the ways of the world at that point). so i was very much
working from a blank slate and eager to have friends when i flew into tokyo.
to make a long story short, after many encounters with israelites and
arabs alike...i even recall thinking that israelis were quite 'cool' and
savvy and i eagerly sought to make friends with most i encountered due to
their apparent well-balanced attitudes and wisdom beyond their years...same
with some arabs i came in contact with (though it was more infrequent to get
to know them)...anyhow, time after time after time after time i was
betrayed, fooled, taken advantage of, stolen from, ripped off and so forth.
at some point i started expecting this sort of thing once i began to link
their fierce nationalism and religious devotion and exclusionary attitudes
to the individuals whom had betrayed me in numerous ways. once i found that
their reason and even-handedness ended when "their peoples" histories came
to issue, i found it very natural to safely assume my past experiences would
be repeated. i investigated through conversation and debate and encountered
the same. at some point, it just became mathematically unrealistic to
expect or look for the extremely rare exceptions. so at this point if
someone goes out of their way to identify themselves as one of some
ideological group, i just stay away from them. whatever their reasons are,
they dont mean much to me since i had never wronged them, or in any way
represented something against them...i merely felt the brunt of their
self-centeredness and group mentality. i like individuals and
individualism...therefore i actively avoid such self-declaring group
members. this is essentially anti-semitism. if you were to begin every
post with "well, being an arab/jew...." i would likely place such
assumptions upon you as well. as is, you havent exhibited any such traits
now long enough to assume you are very much more an individual than part of
any group. i'll cut this short in hopes that you read the whole thing now.
DrSebby.
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Dear Dr. Sebby,
Is it possible that it is merely the "memes" that have infected certain
regions in the Middle East that cause you to view semetic people so
distastefully?
And, if so, why bother using such innacurate labels which imply that
complexion and genetic predisposition are somehow responsible for this
behavior?
Finally, guess whether I am semetic or not - by looking at the history of my
posts.
Please determine for yourself as to whether I am a person who engages in
rational discourse.
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circles)
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