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virus: Human baby clone announcement. . . .
« on: 2002-12-27 20:49:22 » |
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I'm betting it's the real deal. Even if not, the real deal is just around
the corner no doubt. I think we in the CoV should take a stand in favor of
cloning rights, as a natural consequence of individual reproductive choice
and freedom, as well as a further technological step in fulfilling our
transhumanist vision. Love, -Jake
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Re:virus: Human baby clone announcement. . . .
« Reply #1 on: 2002-12-27 22:32:55 » |
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[Jake Sapiens]
I'm betting it's the real deal. Even if not, the real deal is just around the corner no doubt. I think we in the CoV should take a stand in favor of cloning rights, as a natural consequence of individual reproductive choice and freedom, as well as a further technological step in fulfilling our transhumanist vision.
Love, -Jake
[rhinoceros]
I guess it was about this announcement:
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99993217
First cloned baby "born on 26 December"
by Emma Young
New Scientist, December 27, 2002
The world's first cloned baby was born on 26 December, claims the Bahamas-based cloning company Clonaid. But there has been no independent confirmation of the claim.
The girl, named Eve by the cloning team, was said to have been born by Caesarean section at 1155 EST. The birth at an undisclosed location went "very well", said Brigitte Boisselier, president of Clonaid. The company was formed in 1997 by the Raelian cult, which believes people are clones of aliens.
"The baby is very healthy. She is doing fine," Roisselier told a press conference in Hollywood, Florida, on Friday. The seven-pound baby is a clone of a 31-year-old American woman, whose partner is infertile, she said.
Proving that the baby is a clone of another person would be possible by showing that their DNA is identical. Genetic tests on the baby and "mother" will now be carried out and the results will be available "in eight or nine days", Boisselier said.
She told reporters: "You can still go back to your office and treat me as a fraud. You have one week to do that." Boisselier added that Michael Guillen, science editor at ABC News and a former Harvard University mathematician, will carry out the genetic tests.
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[rhinoceros]
I think Jake is right in principle, even if I don't see any compelling reasons to hold a Transhumanist vision.
Of course, the secrecy of the event did not permit peer review and the Raelian cult of alien clones makes some eyebrows rise, but we can wait for 8 or 9 days to see what they have to show. Anyway, next month Antinori's clone baby is expected. (http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99993116)
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Re:virus: Human baby clone announcement. . . .
« Reply #2 on: 2002-12-30 06:51:57 » |
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Quote from: rhinoceros on 2002-12-27 22:32:55
[Jake Sapiens]
I'm betting it's the real deal. Even if not, the real deal is just around the corner no doubt. I think we in the CoV should take a stand in favor of cloning rights, as a natural consequence of individual reproductive choice and freedom, as well as a further technological step in fulfilling our transhumanist vision.
Love, -Jake
[rhinoceros]
I guess it was about this announcement:
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99993217
First cloned baby "born on 26 December"
by Emma Young
New Scientist, December 27, 2002
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[Jake2] an excerpt from this story.
"Opponents of human cloning point to the high rate of miscarriages of cloned animal fetuses, and the high rate of defects in live births. Boisselier has claimed that the large number of female cult members willing to act as surrogate mothers increased their chances of success."
Now see, that just goes to show that we need more chicks in CoV!! Those Raelians are doing something right! How many CoV chicks can we get willing to act as surrogate mothers for their religion? Now that is real devotion!
Love,
-Jake
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Re:virus: Human baby clone announcement. . . .
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OTTAWA -- The world's first cloned human was born in Canada, according to the Australian newspaper, The Herald Sun.
The Melbourne-based daily newspaper said its source for the story was Clonaid, the Raelian-founded group that announced the birth of "Eve" to an unidentified 31-year-old American mother a week ago.
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Re:virus: Human baby clone announcement. . . .
« Reply #5 on: 2003-01-02 23:13:01 » |
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Hmm...
http://www.msnbc.com/news/852027.asp?0bl=-0
Alleged clone may never be tested
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Jan. 2 — The head of a company that last week announced it had created the first human clone said Thursday that DNA tests have not yet been conducted on the baby — and may never be. The statement by Clonaid CEO Brigitte Boisselier added to scientists’ skepticism and fueled suspicions that the company’s claim was a hoax.
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Re: virus: Human baby clone announcement. . . .
« Reply #6 on: 2003-01-03 16:49:01 » |
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In a message dated 1/2/2003 10:17:13 PM Central Standard Time,=20
rhinoceros@freemail.gr writes:
Hmm...
http://www.msnbc.com/news/852027.asp?0bl=3D-0
Alleged clone may never be tested
MSNBC NEWS SERVICES=20
Jan. 2 =E2=80=94 The head of a company that last week announced it had cre=
ated the=20
first human clone said Thursday that DNA tests have not yet been conducted o=
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the baby =E2=80=94 and may never be. The statement by Clonaid CEO Brigitte B=
oisselier=20
added to scientists=E2=80=99 skepticism and fueled suspicions that the compa=
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claim was a hoax.=20
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[Jake] I found this excerpt from an AOL news source that I think might put=20
this in some perspective:=20
"Experts have said they need DNA proof to believe claims by Boisselier, who=20
is a bishop in the Raelian sect. Last week she said test results should be=20
ready in eight or nine days proving the baby is a clone of the 31-year-old=20
American woman who is also the mother.
"But now she says the parents are reconsidering the DNA testing because of=20
legal action taken in Florida that could result in the child being taken awa=
y=20
from them."
[Jake] That seems like a plausible concern, as much as it seems like an=20
evasive tactic. Assuming the claim of cloning is true, the parents'=20
interests and the scientists' interests are not going to be the same. Thoug=
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I would have suspected that they should have foreseen this possibility more=20
than they (the Raelians) have and should have chosen both a more appropriate=
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patient and legal jurisdiction in which to conduct these experiments. Bette=
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yet to not even make an announcement at all until you had verfied evidence i=
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hand.
[JS] Though this may in fact turn out as a hoax, the timing of such a hoax=20
gives it a lot of credibility. Such a legitimate announcement is indeed ver=
y=20
reasonably expectable just about any day now.
Love,
-Jake
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