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« Reply #1 on: 2002-07-05 18:30:00 »
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Quote from: baby_p_nut on 2002-07-05 11:44:35   

Hypocrisy is normal human behavior.
How many beleive in Global Warming but drive cars and use electricity?
How many HIV positive AIDS denilists are there out there?

True, but that doesn't make it a virtue. I would guess that there are lots of global warming hypocrites, but not very many HIV+ AIDS denilists.
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Quote from: baby_p_nut on 2002-07-07 00:04:41   

Certainly there are more global warming hypocrites but there are quite a few HIV+ / AIDS denilists. The problem is you don't know where to look.  You are being a meta-HIV/AIDS denialist.

I was talking about HIV+ AIDS denialists, ie. AIDS denialists who are HIV+.
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« Reply #4 on: 2002-07-20 13:01:26 »
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Hypocrisy is normal human behavior.


even though hyprocrisy is a 'normal' human behavior, there are many levels of it, IMO.  while some hyprocrisy is unavoidable (such as disliking the government, but living in a society that depends on such an orginization), there are some forms of it that can be avoided.

i will make light of my personal favorite for this example, christianity, and religion in general!  most members of a particular religion will be against simple things, like the so-called 'seven deadly sins' or whatever their particular brand of belief is structured around.

the very fact that someone can claim to believe in any credo and act exactly the way they preach against is showing the highest/worst form of hypocrisy possible, while simply having a dislike, and discussing it once in a while is somewhat different.  personally, i know many, many tree-hugging hippy style people that claim to love the environment, but in reality do not truly practice that idea.  and since i realize that they do not truly believe in what they say, it seems to me that i am witnessing a lesser form of hypocrisy.

now, i'm not necessarily saying that any form of hypocrisy is a good thing, or even acceptable.  i guess that i am attempting to agree that it is simply an inescabaple part of being human.  the best that that we can do is to personally work not to be hypocritical in our daily lives, especially when claiming to either think strongly of or believe (which shouldn't be a regular practice anyway) in something.

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Quote from: baby_p_nut on 2002-07-05 11:44:35   

Our beliefs are expressed through our behaviour, most explicitly through speech acts (e.g. "It's going to rain tomorrow."), but they also underlay every action we commit. When our actions reflect inconsistent beliefs we are guilty of hypocrisy.

Hypocrisy is normal human behavior.

How many beleive in Global Warming but drive cars and use electricity?

How many HIV positive AIDS denilists are there out there?
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Hypocracy: Asserting that global warming is a belief.

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"Global Warming" as a temporary phenomena is a fact. It appears that in the near term, and for a short while, Greenland may be green again.

"Global Warming" as the theory that humans significantly influence global climate is a weak theory with limited support and vociferous supporters. A stronger theory is that solar cyles affect Earth Temperatures to a much greater extent than anything that happens on Earth aside from processes injecting large volumes of dust and CO2 into the atmosphere (think volcanoes and thermo nuclear weapons) and processes resulting in major changes in ocean currents (thermal inversions).

In the medium term, the upcoming (2030) overlap of minima of all of the identified solar cycles has lead a number of highly reputable heliogrophers to conclude that unless we act to change the weather, we may well see the start of the next ice age at that time. I suspect that if this happens, we are quite likely not to act because climatologists are quite probably still going to be arguing about possible global warming as the glaciers return.

Belief, I have concluded, is a more powerful blinding force than the sun.

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Stupidity" - R. Heinlein
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Quote from: Hermit on 2003-10-05 14:05:55   

"Global Warming" as the theory that humans significantly influence global climate is a weak theory with limited support and vociferous supporters.

While I agree with your comments, I was curious as to why you state it is a theory with limited support? Are you referring to support as in evidence, etc. or is this a reference to the volume of supporters? If the former, I agree. If the latter I am curious why you think it is limited? I was under the impression that the global warming alarmists had a monopoly over organisations like the IPCC, etc.

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I meant physical support is limited, but those endowed with the memplex are very noisy indeed. Yet despite the volume of noise, there is, if you will pardon the pun, more heat than light, coming from those quarters,

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Kirkosaurus muttered: "The two most common elements in the Universe, Hygrogen and stupidity" - R. Heinlein

Hermit's corollary, "The Universe, being finite, contains a finite quantity of Hydrogen. Stupidity, it seems, suffers no such disadvantages."
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« Reply #12 on: 2003-10-07 08:07:10 »
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Quote from: Hermit on 2003-10-06 12:35:56   

I meant physical support is limited, but those endowed with the memplex are very noisy indeed. Yet despite the volume of noise, there is, if you will pardon the pun, more heat than light, coming from those quarters,

Thanks for the clarification Hermit, I know how true your words are from direct experience debating them 

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« Reply #14 on: 2003-10-17 01:47:16 »
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Quote from: LhyR of Chaos on 2003-10-13 06:44:43   

people sometimes think faith in a god figure is dogmatic (believing without ample proof), while at the same time quantum phsyics has pretty much proven that there is (or was) such an entity.  definitely not jesus, but something.

What led you to believe that quantum physics has proved god exists or existed?
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