[Jake2] The following is excerpted from the "re: Enough is enough" thread, with my responses in regard to the reputation system inserted as "[Jake2]":
[Jake Sapiens1]
The reputation system is valuable in that it finally provides a collective standardized measure of the feedback of almost all of the central figures who have been involved in building Church of Virus.
[metahuman1]
No, the reputation is not valuable. There is absolutely no good reason to have such a system in place. As for "central figures", the Church of Virus originally rejected the idea of centralism. re: FAQ Is the CoV a cult?
[Jake2] The reputation system ties into the voting mechanism to establish a way of easily and quickly identifying consensus within the community. I think it was a great idea for David to put such a thing in place. Indeed you obviously thought that it was a good enough idea as you voluntarily entered yourself into it. Now it appears you have changed your mind simply because you don't like the resulting evaluation that you have received.
[Jake Sapiens]
Whether or not Joe thinks it fair or not, one thing is certain, it does not lie. Another thing that does not lie is the list of the top 100 posters. After you discover that Joe Dees is consistently rated dead last in the reputation system, then I encourage you to check out the top one hundred in posting volume. It doesn't lie either. Here you will note that not only does Joe spew more than anybody else, he does so by many orders of magnitude. I urge each of you to start with the number 2 poster (Hermit) and start working your way down the list, adding each successive participants number of posts to the total. Now how long does it take for you to come up with a total that equals Joe's volume. I did this and discovered that Joe Dees' volume is more than the next 13 COMBINED!!! (sorry for the caps, but it simply couldn't be avoided. Now let's see who all is included in that 13. I will just limit this to people who have been around and are still around throughout most o!
f the reign of Joe Dees. Others have left since, and still others or relatively newer. But just to put some personalities into the mix, . . . Hermit, myself, David, Kharin, Walter, and Bill Roh.
[metahuman1]
Irrelevant, irrelevant, irrelevant. Quite frankly, the post count of any single user is of no interest to me. Unlike Hermit, I do not give respect to those with high post counts nor do I see them as more important, more right, or generally better human beings. Any Virian, or rather, MetaVirian, would do the same.
[Jake2] Before we had the reputation system, post count was the only tracking variable in CoV by which one could relatively evaluate the contributions of participants. The titles that people received were based on this. I agree with you that its relevance in this respect is questionable. The reputation system is much more relevant in that it measures not only a person's input, but also takes into account other people's evaluation of that person's input.
[Jake Sapiens1]
Joe feels himself so incredibly important, that apparently he thinks that he has more important things to say that all six of these people combined.
[metahuman1]
Apparently you like to bitch about the number of posts certain people make. Apparently Joe just likes to distribute information. That's certainly not a negative hit on him. . . .
[Jake2] I'm sure many career spammers, junk mailers, and telephone solicitors think of themselves as simply distributing information also.
[metahuman1] I enjoy his writings and I enjoy his presence. He's much more moderate than Hermit and would rather have people think for themselves than follow a dissolute leader.
[Jake Sapiens1]
We can even move afield from Church of the Virus and learn that Joe has also had to be moderated in other forums. The memetics list sponsored by the Journal of Memetics comes to mind, as well as at least one of the Extropy forums.
[metahuman1]
We can study my forum history as well. I've been banned from over 13 forums, suspended from 5, disrespected in 24 to the extent where I had to leave, and had my permissions removed in the last year.
[Jake2] Is this disclosure supposed to impress us? It certainly does nothing to persuade me that Joe should remain a member of this community. It does however explain to me why you seem to feel yourself in league with Joe, your constant kneejerk defense of him, and your flaming of anyone who criticizes his memebotic/spamming behavior, so thanks for sharing. Perhaps if you had shared this with us earlier I could have prophesied your results before you chose to join the CoV reputation system.
Love,
-Jake