From: Hermit (hidden@lucifer.com)
Date: Thu Aug 08 2002 - 01:35:52 MDT
[Joe Dees 3] Many, many more than that are executed without trial by Palestinian terrorist groups.
[Hermit 4] I accept that. But 50% of all Palestinian deaths? Given that no claim to this is being made by Palestinian or official Israeli sources I think that we can accept that in the absence of substantiating data that the claim is indeed propaganda. And propaganda in very bad taste. Sort of like the claim that most of the Jews killed in the concentration camps of WW II were cremated by their fellow Jews.
[Hermit 2] Examining each reported case, for each case I could identify, each Palestinian executed by the PA was executed for active participation in a murder, murders or attempted murder or murders. Reporting that this is for "collaboration" is positively disingenious. What bet it originates in the depths of Shin Beth's psycho warfare department, and is intended to delude the media and fools?
[Hermit 2] Further, while there are some claims that "hundreds" were executed in the 1989-1993 period, I could not find any validation of claims that 50% of all Palestinian deaths are "own goals." Examining the provided causes of death for the Intifada deaths, the cited causes do not include executions.
[Joe Dees 3] The first link I provided, before you began your latest indignation jag, did indeed make that claim.
[Hermit 4] Yes. But again, that is not what I said. Have a comprehension pill. I said "I could not find any validation of claims", this is something else entirely different from "I could not find any similar claims". Offering as support for your opinion, somebody else's opinion does not seem particularly convincing.
[Hermit 2] If you want to recover any credibility, perhaps you had better do some further research which actually supports your contention. For now, it appears to be completely opinionated propagandist claptrap with no support behind it whatsoever.
[Joe Dees 3] Your apparent rival contention that few Palestinians have been killed as Israeli collaborators by their fellow countrymen would eem to itself have no support. At least I provided links; you provided snide rhetoric.
[Hermit 4] Nope. Wrong again. I make no such claim. I simply suggest that your assertions on this matter are unsupported fabrications. I have offered you links to the best data sources I have been able to find - Israeli and Palestinian, and indicated that the claims you are making are not reported there. This leaves the onus on you to do the impossible and pull a confirmatory rabbit out of your ass.
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