From: Loki100l00@aol.com
Date: Thu Jan 31 2002 - 01:03:25 MST
^This subject line feels ripe^
>From time to time the CoV becomes a little heavy on the atheist agenda, at 
which point I hear my cue to pipe up.  Yes, Yes, I KNOW that the word 
"atheist" occurs in the web pages for this list.  Actually "atheist 
religion", which to my mind sets up about as much of a cognitive 
contradiction as would can achieve in contemporary culture.  I feel certain 
that whenever one reads those two words together like that, the person in 
question tends to resolve on one of them to the exclusion of the other.  Now 
of course all of the stigma on the site will tend chase away the true 
believers, leaving us with the atheists.  And so most of us generally assume 
that the problem resolves itself, but of course it doesn't.  We simply forget 
that part which doesn't, and the UTism dynamics generally ensure which one 
this group will forget.  Generally of course. . . but not always.  Because 
people like me shall remind you that this Church revolves more around the 
issues of memetics rather than religion vs. atheism.  Or at least to remain 
true to its ostensible intent it should.
Of course we shall always run through these issues from time to time, and we 
definitely should.  But what eventually has to go, I see as this truculent, 
don't surrender an inch, kind of thought policing that goes on.  And I don't 
mean here intolerance toward each other so much, though that may predictably 
crop up as a byproduct from time to time.  But more especially I mean the 
intolerant thought policing that an individual self-imposes.  I think that if 
you seek support for this kind of orthodox atheism within yourself, you will 
probably find more solace in many other atheist niches in the Internet 
inclined to just this kind of atheist thought discipline.
Why do I choose a potentially loaded word like "intolerance"?  Because 
atheists and believers have the same kind of brain, share the same kinds of 
cultural environments, and hence share the same cognitive capacities.  So why 
the difference?  I think the problem lies in recognizing the actual smallness 
of the difference in cognitive terms.  Now I know of course that this 
difference, however small, often leads to much larger 
emotional/cultural/social consequences for the individual in question (not 
forgetting, however, that for some people, these consequences likewise remain 
relatively small as well depending on their own peculiar circumstances).
It all comes down to explicit belief.  And this, I assert, remains a much 
smaller cognitive phenomenon than many would guess.  The only way I can 
really make this point however, comes down to pointing out the things it 
doesn't include.  It doesn't include understanding.  I can explicitly 
disbelieve a religious program, but I can nevertheless understand it.  
Frequently I think many of the more orthodox atheists overstate their lack of 
understanding for religious concepts and thinking.  This I think results from 
too much self-thought-policing, and hence I use the word "intolerant".  It 
also doesn't include entertaining beliefs or religious.  Here I mean a sort 
of going-through the motions mentally "if I believed this, then this would 
make me feel a certain way about X situation."   I can even rehearse the 
feelings and the situations mentally, and even do this for beliefs that I 
might actually find rather absurd, like transubstantiation.  While I don't 
take communion, and indeed do not remotely consider myself part of the 
Catholic program, I could imagine the feelings that actually eating the body 
and drinking the blood of Christ might have upon the truly faithful.  Indeed, 
I could probably do a better job imagining and "feeling" it, than many 
explicit believers might on their usual communion.  And yet at the end of the 
day, my explicit beliefs haven't changed a bit.  However, I think that many 
of our more orthodox atheists deny or at least avoid their own capacity to do 
likewise, and so I again use the word "intolerant" to describe this attempt 
overly self-regulate their thinking.  
These issues represent some of the stuff that we can drag into our conscious 
stage rather easily, but a lot remains below the radar, so to speak.  And 
here I suggest implicit beliefs.  These represent those beliefs that remain 
so strong between people that they actually need no mention whatsoever.  In 
fact we usually even forget that they exist at all in our cognitive matrix, 
making them all the more powerful and important.
To return again to Atheism and the Church of the Virus - an "atheistic 
religion", while clearly a contemporary contradiction, our job lies in 
transforming it from a mere contradiction into a full blown paradox, and to 
do this we must move beyond explicit belief.  This becomes easier when we 
realize how much more exists in our cognitive universe, and how much of it we 
all share in common despite the relatively small afterthought that our 
differences in explicit belief present.  The challenge of attaining this 
realization presents us with the heavy lifting and investigative journey that 
our understanding of memetics must perform.  Let us get to work.
Amen,
-Jake
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