From: Bodie (mclarkc@essex.ac.uk)
Date: Thu Jan 17 2002 - 06:10:42 MST
I agree, that a lot of what the characters in the story achieve is a very
worthy goal, and some are even realistic. The main reason the story is
unrealistic is human nature, and the fact that religion and nationalism
are so deep in our conciousness that people will always want to preserve
them no matter what. Maybe over a long period of time we can defeat these
memes and create a society like that in the story, but I don't think it's
going to come as quickly as is described
As for the goals of the CoV, I don't really know if we really have any
goals at the moment, certainly it doesn't seem that way. Maybe it would
be a good time to start thinking of goals and some sort of aim for the
CoV. What do other people think here?
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Kalkor wrote:
> Wonderful answer! Thank you! And I agree that it *SEEMS* to me somehow
> flawed and unworkable, which is precisely why I've brought the topic up so
> much. I haven't learned/been trained how to think rationally, and so I am
> unable so far to figure out WHY it is flawed and unworkable. Some of what
> they ACHIEVE (Fictionally, head in the clouds, I agree as well) are, in my
> opinion, worthy goals. So how do we achieve our worthy goals in reality?
> What ARE our goals as virians? Collectively and individually...
>
> THAT is why I'm here, to learn from YOU.
>
> And the WTC/Ireland thing was probably an unconcious attempt to incite. But
> I do not apologize! ;-}
>
> Kalkor
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-virus@lucifer.com [mailto:owner-virus@lucifer.com]On Behalf
> Of Bodie
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 8:53 AM
> To: virus@lucifer.com
> Subject: RE: virus: What are we doing, in God's name?
>
>
> I think it's a good idea, but the whole spirit of the COV so far from what
> I remember hasn't been to actively recruit new members, we seem to grow
> naturally without the need to advertise. The story you talk about is just
> that, a fictional story, and while I agree it does have a lot of good
> points the whole thing is just someone's head stuck in the clouds. I'm
> not denying that it makes some very valid points, the whole theory behind
> it is very flawed and unworkable in practice. I think if we did start
> advertising and showing pictures of WTC, Ireland etc, the public would
> believe to start with that we were just another religion who was going to
> cause the same thing given half a chance. We need to concentrate on the
> differences between us and organised religion first
>
> On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Kalkor wrote:
>
> > Well then, and instead of arguing about mystik mathematiks, why don't we
> > shoulder the role of John Galt (shudder, you draw your own conclusions)
> here
> > and figure out a way to convert all those wandering around in a haze of
> "an
> > apathy which I would describe as covert agnosticism masquerading as weak
> > observance"[RR, and which I agree with, in my observation --Kalkor]...
> Yes,
> > convert them to the CoV!
> >
> > In that fictional story( http://www.neo-tech.com/thestory ) I've been
> > incessantly talking about, there was a religion based on very similar
> tenets
> > (heheheh): Complete honesty, rational and critical thought, living at
> > level3.
> >
> > So how do we improve someone's life by introducing them to CoV? How do we
> > make them WANT to improve their lives? How do we expose large numbers of
> > people to the concept? How do we, once having exposed them, make them want
> > to investigate?
> >
> > "Could things be coming to a head? Could we be seeing a polarisation of
> > public attitudes to faith?"[RR]
> >
> > YES! And maybe we should be taking advantage of it?
> >
> > And to steal another idea out of that story that will not die, one of the
> > little boys in the class starts selling smoke detectors door-to-door. He
> > finds out that he makes every sale within the first few seconds, and
> > resolves to find a way to demonstrate the value of what he has to sell
> them
> > in those seconds. He does this by using shocking images on a flyer,
> followed
> > by a rapid verbal delivery about it. Why don't we put the collapsing WTC,
> > body bags in Irish schools, or other such shocking images on OUR fliers?
> >
> > I know, slow down, walk then run ;-}
> >
> > Your thoughts, virians?
> >
> > Kalkor
> >
>
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