From: Steele, Kirk A (SteeleKA@nafm.misawa.af.mil)
Date: Fri Jan 11 2002 - 16:10:19 MST
I will clarify, since you did self deprecate as to the possible bounds of
your own ignorance:
>From what is known, and more than reasonably extrapolated, about BIOLOGICAL
forms of LIFE,
the SCIENCE tells us that the previously mentioned items are mandatorily
prerequisite.
These prerequisites come from the bounds of KNOWLEDGE, not desire, or worse
still, belief.
Kirkasaurus Wrecks
-----Original Message-----
From: Kalkor [mailto:kalkor@kalkor.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 1:39 AM
To: virus@lucifer.com
Subject: RE: virus: The universe
Subtended assertions? See the previous post ;-}
Although, it's interesting that you would assert that life (and intelligent
life for that matter) can ONLY appear:
1)On planets
2)On planets comprised of higher elements
3)On planets capable of supporting biota
(Yes, I realize I'm inferring a lot more from your statement than you
actually said. You started it! heheh)
For me to repeat wishful thinking I read in a fictional story and improperly
use words like "evolve" is somewhat amateurish, I admit. I don't have any
experience at debate, and debate was not my intent in the first place.
But for you to discard a possibility BECAUSE of some assumptions about the
universal nature of life is, well... I have no idea what that is! Silly? Why
not allow alien life to be alien? Why's it gotta be like us?
and I'm a nutty bunny, not a fluffy bunny! I like to frolic in the sun...
Kalkor
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-virus@lucifer.com [mailto:owner-virus@lucifer.com]On Behalf
Of Steele, Kirk A
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 4:19 PM
To: 'virus@lucifer.com'
Subject: RE: virus: The universe
or would they not have 'evolved' transluminal transportaion, or 'evolved'
universal telekenetics, or .................
Achieved any fairy tale desire that demonstrably resides outside the bounds
of the current, observable continuum.
Ok, I will grant you that dreaming got us where we are to day. Not
daydreaming.
The evolutionary stages of stellar matter give us a minimum age at which
biota can emerge. The first solar systems did NOT have the stellar material
necessary to form planets capable of creating/supporting life. So, for the
first (and I AM a little rusty on these numbers, first time through school,
20 yrs ago) 5 billion years, the universe was comprised of elements lower
than Beryllium. As Second generation solar systems came into existance, then
planets evolved that were capable of supporting biota. FYI folks, there are
two floral biota systems on earth. Photosynthetics and Thermosynthetics,
then there are the anerobes and the aerobes. In the anaerobes we have some
oddballs, methane and ammonia breathers, some exist under the most estreme
of pressure and temperatures. (sound familiar)
Then there is this subtended assertions of Herr Kalkor that these billion
year old beings can control
superstrings..........................................
HOLY SHIT!
'GIANT STEP BACKWARD'
FLUFFY BUNNY ALERT
-----Original Message-----
From: Kalkor [mailto:kalkor@kalkor.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 10:57 AM
To: Virus (E-mail)
Subject: virus: The universe
Ok, here's something from neo-tech that I'd like to discuss with you
folks... In the story one of the students becomes a nobel-winning physicist,
and he comes up with this while in the class:
What are the odds that, given the apparent age and size of the universe, an
intelligent species evolved early on, as rapidly as we have during the last
few thousand years? If so, would it not follow that this civilization is
millions or even billions of years old? Would they not have achieved
biological immortality by now, and probably technology sufficient to control
much of the universe, and in fact the fundamental physical laws behind the
universe? Would not, then, the controlling factors of reality be mass,
energy, and conciousness, rather than simply mass and energy? Would this be
sufficient to explain dark matter?
Ah, a direct quote would have been better but I wanted to see how well I was
able to grasp the subject and regurgitate it in my own words. What do you
virians think of this idea? Far fetched? Off the point? Relevant? Immutable?
Kalkor
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